As I walk down the street, often people ask me, “John, how can I avoid the hell-fire and torment of eternal damnation?” When it comes to marriage the answer is simple: Never get divorced. Ever.
Jesus says getting divorced is a sin:
Mark 10:9-11
9 Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”
10 When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this.
11 He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.
12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.
Interestingly, Jesus never once even mentioned homosexuals or homosexual behavior. I assume this was some sort of clerical oversight that will be rectified during the end of days as described in the Book of Revelation. Perhaps during Satan’s 1,000 year reign. I’ll get back to you on that one.
John Marcotte is a firm believer in traditional family values. He currently opposes government-funded death panels, Obama talking to children and MSNBC's entire prime-time line-up. 
If I ever decide to get married, it certainly won’t be by a priest or a rabbi or any other religious figure. A secular justice of the peace will do just fine for me.
I applaud your efforts, John. You’ve got my full support.
anyone on here is fucking idiot. divorce will never be banned in America. Do you want America to turn into an extremist society, where everyday life is dominated by religion? (like the middle east…) That is the basis of America. Land of the free. I have the freedom to do what i want. such as not believe in a god, to vote or not to vote, to say whatever i want, etc. you cannot take my freedom away from me.
There is nothing we red-blooded Americans love more than FREEDOM. But in order to maintain our free society, we must enforce a strong moral code, and that includes banning gay marriage, gay adoption, gay lifestyles and divorce initiated by women and gays.
A tax holiday for churchgoers (real Christians, not fake ones like Episcopalians) should also be added to our IRS code. I’m sorry, but atheists are morally corrupt and if we relied on you, we would be nothing but a nation of red-scaled demons.
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Yes Chris. How RIDICULOUS to think that we would ever be so EXTREME as to amend the Constitution and take rights away from Americans. And if I may correct you, America certainly is the land of the free…Unless you’re gay and want to get MARRIED. I hardly think the point is to actually ban divorce in California. It’s more about shining a spotlight on the hypocrisy of Prop. 8 and those who voted YES. Let’s see if all those who were so concerned about “protecting marriage” will vote YES on this. It only seems logical and fair.
“Do you want America to turn into an extremist society, where everyday life is dominated by religion?” AHAHAHAHAHAHA Don’t you see that’s the whole point, America is ALREADY an extremist society dominated by religion; marriage has already been restricted based on religion by laws like Prop 8. See also: God’s name in the pledge of alliegence, bans on stem cell research, Texas’s rewriting of history to include more god in textbooks, and evolution theory in the South.
Whatever happened to religious freedom? Why are Christians so repressed in what’s supposed to be a Christian Nation? I mean, we can’t do anything without someone turning around & telling us we’re being intolerant? If they don’t want to live in a theocracy, they can move to Germany or Australia, or some other homo-loving country.
EXACTLY!
This country’s economic might also comes from its most deeply observant, God-loving corners, like West Virginia, Alabama and Mississippi.
I am SICK AND TIRED of liberal hellholes like California, Massachusetts and New York from taking MY hard-earned money and spending it on lavish gay weddings and health care for illegal immigrants!
Yes, I can’t stand it how oppressed Christians are in this country. How dare someone tell me I’m being intolerant just because I believe in God’s word? Don’t they know that following God’s word is the ONLY WAY to avoid eternal damnation?
I’m so sick of hearing liberal hippies and gay-lovers spreading their “LOVE” and “FREEDOM” which will only drag our wholesome society down the tubes. It’s a blatant abuse of the First Amendment! This is why Freedom of Speech should only be granted to Christians, and no one else should have the right to criticize us.
Sheila – first of all, I would like to say that your last name is a blessed and holy name. The only holier name would be Palin, of course.
And yes, the First Amendment rights of Christians are being violated each and every time liberal gay activists say they want equal rights to good Christian folk. Why aren’t they being prosecuted? Oh, I know…because Barry Hussein Obama is in bed with all of them!
We don’t allow gay marriage in Australia, ScarsForTheLord – and I think you meant you’re “opressed”, not “repressed”.
Move here, and you’ll be free to opress as many gays and atheists as you want.
“you cannot take my freedom away from me.”
that’s what i said when they passed prop 8, but my freedoms are gone none the less.
Chris, I think you’re two tacos short of a combo plate. Not the brightest bulb in the bunch. The meaning of subtext and satire seem to be lost within the confines of your minuscule brain.
You need your heart washed so your mouth will speak clean things. Jesus Christ gives the Holy Spirit to His people. The Holy Spirit washes us on the inside. Call upon the name of the LORD and be saved!
Then gay marriage should be legal. Religion shouldn’t dictate our rights under the law! If religion is going to inform our civil liberties, the churches are political organizations that should be taxed.
Hey chris, since you posted on here it makes you a fucking idiot like the rest of us. You can not do whatever you want and your “freedom” can and has been taken away from you..read the patriot act. Read the addmendments to the constitution hell even your own states addmendments all are designed to strip all of us of more and more of our rights and freedoms. What makes you, your freedom and or rights anymore important than mine , or my wifes’ or our kids or families. You are the exact type of biggot this proposal is written for..those who are willing to take everyone else’s freedoms and rights because the don’t agree with your narrow mind.
Chris,
Let me remind you- you are on here…
“Do you want America to turn into an extremist society, where everyday life is dominated by religion?”
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HETEROSEXUALS ARE DOING TO GAY PEOPLE. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IF WE TAKE SOME OF YOUR RIGHTS AWAY, TOO.
WHAT IS IT YOU FOLKS LIKE TO SAY???? “THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN” OR SOME SUCH SHIT LIKE THAT?
Catch a ckue, Chris. The effort is a satirical statement. The U.S. authorized and then California voters outlawed gay marriage in 2008, solely in an effort to protect the sanctity of traditional marriage; accordingly, Marcotte reasons that voters should have no problem banning divorce as well.
Blunt, but exactly what I was thinking Chris. This whole thing is nonsense. Everyone supporting this bill is a dumbass. I almost forgot how many sexists, racists, and extremists there really were in america until one of them came up with this “marriage protection” crap.
And he wept.
HI CHRIS…whether you are a believer or not God gives you that choice…he wants yu to seek him or make a decision not to..he will not force himself or his will on you…whether they pass this law or not doesnt change a thing..people will do as they want and in america we have those freedoms and when the government takes those away or not people will do as they see fit..whether christian values or not..both sides of any argument stand for what they believe in and God gave us free will to do exactly that…follow him or not…as a christian we are to speak our hearts over issues as well and we are not robots or dumbasses and neither are you…God gave us freewill and the goernment was established for the people and a majority in a democracy should dictate but as you and know it doesnt function that way any more..free entitlements[the little brown envelope has crippled this country] but i shouldnt have my tax dollars support things im opposed to and neither should you but we can dictate that either..we vote people in and out of office..hopefully to protect our freedoms…not take them away..but what kind of america would we have if we have no police no military and people could do as they want…total chaos!at the end of the day people will do as they want and my belief is God allows that and he has given his laws and warnings and promises…we can accept that or not but as a christian i know he will do as he says..for those that dont understand or believe all i can say is study the bible for yourself and not all these preachers that have found something to sell and make money[actually they have been doing that since religon began too]..but where you spend eternity is your choice…i hope you the the time to seek God thru his bible yourself…and im sorry if christians offend you and come across so strong..but actually a spirit filled christian would find a way to do it with love in his heart and if you dont receive the truth then we need to keep praying for you and move on..i have done thta for you today…why you, i dont know why, i just felt led to today becuase i was a non beliver once too….
Divorce must be banned to protect family values, and our children. A Child needs two parents. Ban divorce.
If you don’t like it don’t get married!!!
Chris, you wrote, “I have the freedom to do what I want”. Yay for you and me, but millions of gay Americans don’t have the pleasure of writing that statement. You fail to see the brilliance of the situation. It’s exactly BECAUSE no one wants to live in an extremist society that the site was created. It lifts a mirror to our society and serves as a parody to the supposed separation of church and state in our country. You say that “you can’t take my freedom away from me”, but the reality is that with Prop 8 and the continual denial of same sex marriage, freedom is denied to other citizens. Being straight shouldn’t make anyone more or less suseptable to the denial of basic human rights. So take a breath, pop a Xanax, regain your sense of humor, and recognize this for what it really is.
Amen Chris!
unless you were LBGT, my friend. American is ruled by religious extremists already.
Joe The Plumber…….you’ve been inhaling too many fumes from that drain clogger crap.
anyone on here is fucking idiot. divorce will never be banned in America. Do you want America to turn into an extremist society, where everyday life is dominated by religion? (like the middle east…) That is the basis of America.> Land of the free.> I have the freedom to do what i want. such as not believe in a god, to vote or not to vote, to say whatever i want, etc. you cannot take my freedom away from me.
Look up Mathew 18 and 19. Because I believed ignorant, self righteous Christian platitudes like yours, instead of reading the bible, I forgave a thousand times over when I was beaten until I puked blood, was hit over the head, and threatened by my husband who threatened to kill his own child who, when I had my breasts cut off due to cancer began an adulteress relationship during my first round of chemo with a woman he took into our office for a job interview and proceeded to fornicate with for 7 hours. Divorce is accepted by God in both the old testament and the new. Don’t twist God to your own ends.
God forbid one straight person should have to suffer to maintain the sanctity of marriage. Suffering is only for indecent minorities like the gays and communists!
Seven hours of fornication? SEVEN hours? Did he give her the job?
I was curious where in the new testament Jesus contradicted himself about divorce. The verse you site Matthew 18:18-19:
18Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Ok, fair enough. WHATEVER two Christians agree one will be true in heaven. So, if two Gay Christians marry each other they are married in the eyes of God.
Good to know.
dear susan,
god hates divorce yes..but you were the victim..you should have left him i agree..but remarriage no…the adultry sin is to get remarried..thats the sin of the flesh and deciding to live in it, no different from same sex getting married..sin..forgive him yes, but you dont have to remain in the same household and be subjected to that ever! you dont have to divorce him either cause the civil courts cant undo what God joins together..remain single or reconcile…remain single and follow christ..divorce isnt accepted by god he hates it…the hardness of man alowed it, not God..but man…sounds like you mistake was marrying someone who wasnt a believer cause if he was he could have been helped…his word warns us not to marry or join in anything with a non believer..
my heart bleeds for you but know this joy can be found in christ not some man…seek him, offer forgiveness but you never have to allow him near you..his consequences of tormenting you…God will deal with him that i now…but if you ever want to bring him down to alabama i happen to know some ole country boys that would love to spit some beachnut in that dudes eyes! they arent members of my church…lol…
I agree with pat miaoulis on this subject, because that is basically what the Bible teaches (except for the “bring ‘em down to Alabama…” comment). There is a very helpful article related to this subject on the Family Radio website: http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literature/joined/joined_contents.html
which begins at:
http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literature/joined/joined_intro.html
This has helped me to nderstand the relationship to the marraige laws and Christ and the church (i.e His people the true believers). It is a highly recommended read. Be blessed in the Lord!
pat your another one who does not know what she is talking about. Jesus clearly stated that if you look at another women and lust after her you have committed adultery already with her in your heart. this adultery sin sounds awfully catholic. and the Catholics and Christians beliefs are not the same. the Catholics have rewritten some of the bible.they teach false doctrine. pay attention.
I’m sorry for your situation Susan. I had an abusive father and my parents got divorced when I was six. It was the best thing that could have happened in my life. The whole thing made me a stronger person and with the help of the rest of my family, I had all the support I needed.
We must ban Divorce. If you don’t like it, don’t get married!!!
Yeah. And don’t even THINK about getting married to a gay. You’ll have to fly to Sweden to get a divorce!
Did ya’ll fall asleep????
no. we killed ourselves because people like you are alive.
Damn right!
I love this site! It is such a challenge to try to figure out who is being sarcastic and who is just being stupid!
BTW, regarding “reconciliation” after divorce: those of you “who (interpret) the Bible more correctly than most other people” should really read Deut 24 …
” 1 If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, 2 and if after she leaves his house she becomes the wife of another man, 3 and her second husband dislikes her and writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, or if he dies, 4 then her first husband, who divorced her, is not allowed to marry her again after she has been defiled. That would be detestable in the eyes of the LORD. Do not bring sin upon the land the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance. ”
Also, not all sin is easily forgiveable. Some sins, such as blaspheming the Holy Spirit and taking the mark of the Beast and worshipping his image, are not forgiveable at all. Meanwhile others are simply worse than being cast into the sea with a millstone tied about your ankles. Believe or do not believe, but PLEASE< people … do not misrepresent.
Love ya,
- D
THANK YOU for posting this!
play in traffic please…
This is the internet equivalent of playing in traffic. stoopid
That is your only response because you have no factual references to argue with her…. Why don’t you look into the Bible and do a little research for yourself? It may surprise you
I sort of stumbled upon this site because of an article i saw on yahoo. First of all, I’d like to say I think Chris is freaking hilarious. I really enjoyed reading your first post, and I think you’re absolutely right. I don’t know why you bother on this site. Now, I enjoy all of these biblical quotes, as someone like yourselves who enjoys reading the bible. I must say, however, that all to often we take everything in it to be uncontestable. Well, If I do recall, according to the old testament, when the Jewish folk threw babies off the walls when they ransacked a certain city (I forget which, but believe its in Leviticus) the bible says that God wanted them to do it. Lets not forget that the old testament was written by Jewish people, which a jewish bias on history. The new testament, at least the gospels anyways, was written by followers of followers of Jesus’ followers. And that isn’t even known for sure. If we are going to read the bible, and I give it only as much credit as I give books like the Tao Te Ching, then we must read it with a soft heart, not letting an preconceived religious paradigms get in the way.
Now, as jesus said “I have not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it”. When he references things like divorce, which Moses had previously wrote about, he is doing just that. The Jewish synagogues of the day had very black and white rules, and as we see with the persecution of the man jesus, they were often broken or worked around for personal gain by those in charge. The outline of jesus’ message, as we can read in the compilation of his teachings known as the sermon on the mount, was that we should not only act morally, but have a soft, moral heart as well. Not only should we not kill, we should be angry. Not only should we give, we should care and take interest in those less fortunate.
When jesus tells about marriage, he is trying to say that there is no black and white, but that we should strive to keep our promises, and our relationships together, because if we lose our togetherness, then we become like the Pharisees of the day, only caring about ourselves. That’s what he meant, he didn’t mean it as some black and white, like making a law banning divorce. What about the battered woman. Shouldn’t she have a right to flee. Don’t you think the Jesus we have all learned about, who claimed that God was love, would want her to be safe.
And I know in Ephesians 5:1 Paul calls homosexuality an offense against god. Here, though you may not agree, I believe he is smply teaching the popular ideas of his day. The same thing was going on with Abraham when he tried to kill his son. That was the popular thing back then, and when he was at that point, he realized that God is greater that society, and it was not right. Homosexuality may or may not be immoral, but I don’t think that is the important thing. All we can do, as individuals who strive to live our Jesus’ teachings, is be as moral as we can concerning OURSELVES. What others do, others do. All we can do, and what we should do, “Is strive to be perfect as our heavenly father is perfect.” The moral code of others is for others to determine, so long as their code doesn’t endanger the lives of others( That is from St. Augustine, I’m sure you know who he is).
I voted against Gay marriage, but not because I see it as a Godly offense. I see that marriage brings with it certain tax benefits meant for raising a child, and I believe that those should go to people who want to start a family. I also feel, that if you truly care for someone (whatever sex they are) then the governmental institution of marriage should be irrelevant. Be with someone because you love them, not simply because youre married. That is also what Jesus meant.
Anyways, I see a lot of angry words going back and forth, and a lot of bible being quoted. I hope this can bring everyone to a level playing field, and allow them to focus more on themselves, and their own morality, and let that be the end. “You are a city on a hill” let you’re light shine through your actions, not your preachings. Be kind to straights, homosexuals, and everything in between. Show them your opinion through how you live, not what you say
hi d,
it does say that but did you also know that this was during the betrothal period for giving a letter of divorce..same as joseph was going to do with mary, the mother of christ…the marriage was not consumated by sex[virginity was expected]yet…also the old testamnet had laws we dont have to follow like killing goats and such..jesus said what he said, trust that…because of mans[notice man not god] hardened hearts moses[note moses] allowed for divorce but he said it was not that way from the beginnig..whaqt god joined togehter let man not seperate…divorce isnt the main problem, remarriage is …and paul teaches if divorced remain single or reconcile..period…dont throw that out! we can pick and choose what we want…being single and remaining pure, now if we followed that and taught that divorce would be nonexistant for believers…fornication is still a sin too…so we would find a way to trust god and get the person in the marriage whomhas gone astray some help and either stay married or be single…either way do mit all for his glory…God originally and still does today for a man and a woman to have sex with one person there entire lives or at least till death due us part…trust him, he may just take that person out and then your free to remarry…its what it says…so i go with it..and by the way im divorced too, she remarried, but in gods eyes he says she is committing adultry, against who if im not her husband..but now i may forgive but i dont have to ever allow her back in my home, but if she repents and i saw a christian woman, id have to say id ask god what to do..wouldnt like taking her back, but its his ways not mine…
Leviticus 20:13 NIV — “`If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Rom. 1:26-28, “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.”
Just because someone is a homosexual does not mean that we cannot love him (or her) or pray for him (her). Homosexuality is a sin and like any other sin, it needs to be dealt with in the only way possible. It needs to be laid at the cross, repented of, and never done again.
As a Christian, you should pray for the salvation of the homosexual the same as you would for any other person in sin. The homosexual is still made in the image of God — even though he is in grave sin. Therefore, you should show him the same dignity as anyone else with whom you come in contact. However, this does not mean that you are to approve of their sin. Don’t compromise your witness for a socially-acceptable opinion that is void of godliness.
It sounds like you have homosexuality on your mind – which I think is less of a sin – but you may want to cleanse yourself of it anyway.
But this is a call to action to ban divorce – which is much more damaging to marriage. Are you with us?
It’s easier to bash homosexuals because…we’re not gay. (I also like to campaign loudly against abortion, since God blessed me without a uterus.)
About divorce – it’s a sin, but hey, we’re only human and we sin, right? I’ve been divorced 4 times but I’ll make that a 5th if you’ll have me, Miss C. (I’ve already cleared it with Jesus – he’ll allow me to divorce since I’ve been such a self-righteous Christian for so long.)
All men are born of sin, not just the Homo.
Kristen,
Homosexual practices prohibited in the Judeo-Christian scriptures are all prohibited consistently and exclusively in a heterosexual context. If Lev. 20:13 was intended to ban all male homosexual practices, it simply would have stated: “If a man lies with a man, both have done what is detestable…” (as a nearby verse prohibiting bestiality, Lev. 20:15 states simply: “If a man lies with an animal, he shall be put to death; you shall also kill the animal”). Only a heterosexual man could “lie with a man as one lies with a woman.” Applying this verse to gay men (who are born that way, i.e., who God has created that way) is as inappropriate and unjust as commanding a left-handed person not to “write with their left hand as one writes with their right hand.”
Same thing with Rom. 1:26-28 “… the men abandoned the natural function of the woman…” Gay men cannot “abandon” something they never had in the first place.
If these verses (along with all the other so-called “clobber” verses in the Judeo-Christian scriptures) have any relevance in modern society and are to be interpreted properly, they should be preached to individual heterosexual men in prison who truly “lie with a man as one lies with a woman” (i.e., use another man as a substitute for a woman), or who truly “abandon the natural function of the woman and burn in their desire toward one another…” If you would dare call any of these men “gay,” you would have your teeth handed to you.
Concerning “grave sin,” let’s get back on topic. Matt.19:9 NIV “I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.” Now let’s posit this verse with 1Cor.6:9-10, another one of those “clobber passages” often abused to condemn gays to hell: “…Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor ADULTERERS… shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
So there you have it, and you can’t have it both ways: if the Judeo-Christian scriptures are truly the authoritative, final, literal, inerrant word of God, and your interpretation of the supposedly anti-homosexuality verses is correct, then cast out of the kingdom of God, along with the gays, will be all divorced persons who in this life had married somebody else and died happily unrepentant, such as Ronald Reagan, for example.
Steve: if you have to resort to technicalities to prove your point, then you’ve wavered off the righteous path. It’s very, very simple: gays bad, divorce bad, Christianity good. Bad = hell, good = Heaven.
Very simple! If God had wanted us to think, he wouldn’t have given us the gift of Christianity!
Wait, what? I was supposed to kill the sheep too?
To quote the bible for how to act, or not act is not a smart thing to do. If we follow the bible, literally, we would have 1) slavery, 2) stoning to death of women who are not virgins when they marry, 3) women in general would be the property of men, And I could go on and on and on with the ridiculous things that bible says are OK. So to say that gay marriage in not right because of what the bible says is stupid.
clearly noone here can understand the bible nor have they paid attention to what they read. we would not have stoning or other old testament rulings. read the books first than make a statement. you are all looking like fools quoting and having little to no understanding of what you are reading.
to joe the plumber: if god did not want us to think there would be no theologians, there would be no schools of thought on things like the proper way to understand the eucharist or heresies. St. Augustine and St. Ignatius never being able to think would not have answered so many great theological questions. there would be no councils… no council of nicene means no nicene creed. how dare you sit there and say christianity does not involve thinking. faith is good. and if doubt and questioning faith leads you to strengthening your faith it is in turn good. if god wanted us to be mindless sheep he would not have given us brains.
amen kristen, for non believers amen means i agree! show hem the truth and if they dont repent wipe your feet of them and dont acept it nor them to be in fellowship…but yes pray and keep praying for them…
Quite right.
We know that some heterosexuals are not sexually active, but that all homosexuals are sexually active and that therefore all homosexuals are committing the sin against nature that is unspeakable among Christians.
We also know that heterosexuals have always been heterosexual, even before beginning the practice of heterosexuality, but that people do not become homosexual until they begin practicing homosexuality. We also know that homosexual encounters are far more satisfying than heterosexual encounters, which is why it is so easy to recruit people into homosexuality – one homosexual experience, and they are hooked for life unless they wear the very skin off of their knees by praying for years to be delivered.
“Leviticus 20:13 NIV — “`If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads”
This is really an impossible feat, a man can’t lay with a man the way he would lay with a woman because men do not have vaginas. Even ignoring that, this says nothing wrong about a woman and a woman. I guess it’s just fine to be a lesbian.
Why bother quoting from the bible? It has zero authority in civil matters such as marriage. Zero.
Let the state issue civil unions for any 2 people (and all the legal benefits that go with it). Leave marriages to the religeous institutions where they can continue to legally discriminate as they see fit.
I do not understand the hate and bigotry displayed by my fellow Christians. Remember that those are sins too. Don’t hide behind things like “I pray for them” and “I don’t hate them”, etc. Not granting any minority of people the same rights as others is hateful (and therefore sinful).
What?! The Bible is the law of the land. It is the only way we can justify keeping gays in their place (second-class citizens when it comes to rights, first-class citizens when it comes to tax collection). Since this is a Christian country, the Word of the Lord trumps all of “Caesar’s Laws” which we are forbidden to obey. And besides, Jesus endorsed the expression of his love through the hatred of homosexuals.
If you are not actively trying to deny homosexuals the right to marriage, you are just another “lapsed Christian” who awaits burning lakes of fire in the afterlife.
Where do you get this stuff? lol – The bible is the law of the land. You crack me up, Joe.
This whole “this sin is worse than that sin” is completely ludicrous. Divorce is certainly something that pains God to see, but what’s this garbage about God loving you a little less? From what I recall, all sin is equal with God. Does this mean every time I lie, God loves me less than the day before?
I agree, divorce is consuming our nation in recent decades. However, it’s a bi-product of our nation’s lifestyle and values. For example, if your teenager keeping running away from home, you don’t pad lock every door, window, or appearance of freedom – you get the root of the problem by opening the line of compassion and communication.
It’s a valiant idea in theory, but your attitude and approach miss the mark completely.
Clearly you are not the mother of a teenager. As all truly compassionate and caring mothers know, when a teenager runs away from home the very first thing you do is change the locks and add security bars to the windows! I’m not saying that it won’t hurt your heart, that your child won’t be subjected to dangers and situations they are ill-equipped to handle, but when they return to you truly repentant the love and well-being will just blossom. Sure, you won’t be able to trust them again, and of course you will have to strip them of all of their previously held privileges, but you’ll both know that what you did was for the best and that the rewards will be a responsible adult that will care for you the same way in your old age.
Exactly. Tough love (turning out your children onto the streets) is the highest form of Godly compassion. Jesus shows no mercy towards people who disobey his word, so why should we?
And what about the parable of the prodigal son. When one runs away, and blows his inheritance, his father welcomes him back with open arms. Jesus uses this as a metaphor for how it is with God. It has been shown, psychologically, that punishment has long lasting, harmful effects on a child’s psyche. I don’t mean things like grounding, and the like. What you are saying would only further hurt and confuse your obviously already hurt teenage son. You don’t change the locks, you fling your door wide open, and leave a key under the mat (in case you’re not home). Show your son your God’s light, don’t leave him in darkness, forcing his repentance.
wait,…i thought we were supposed to stone them. the problem with right wing christians is that they like to pick and choose the portions of the bible that best suit their own personal biases.
I agree the sarcasm on this site is almost undermining his purpose. It’s a little confusing and thank you for pointing out the “this sin is worse than that sin” is totally absurd. Sin is sin is sin in God’s eyes and he hates it all. We are all sinners, none is better than the other, and nothing you do can make the Lord love you less. All it requires is asking the Lord for forgiveness and he will wipe your slate clean so to speak and does not remember your sins. A blessing if you asked me!
Well no….Heterosexual sinners are apparently better than Homosexual sinners. That’s what those who voted YES on 8 apparently think, anyways.
So, what you’re saying is that we should make homosexual marriages legal, let them live their lives, love whomever they want, and have all the rights they are asking for without any religious or political interference, and then at the very end of their lives they can ask the Lord to forgive them for their wicked perversions and he’ll wipe the slate clean and get amnesia?
I’ll have none of what you’re serving up lady! According to the Constitution and the Bible, I can freely and self-righteously judge those that are different than me and wrap it all up in piety and patriotism! This is America.
Mrs C – I can only hope your message of loving hatred is heard by Jesus himself, so you can eventually join him at the Welcome Table in Heaven along with me, Carrie Prejean, Sarah Palin and all of the other God Warriors.
god doesnt love everybody..only his children…the rest well they are his enemy and he leaves them to there own desires, unless they repent…he loves all children yes, but once they have made the decision to not follow him he will call to them but if they think they can live without him, they might on this earth, but they wont enter the kingdom of heaven…he offers his love…but we must accept it…it always available…if we repent..if not theres the hoghway good luck ill be back he says to judge our lives and actions…
Ok then I guess Jesus would not leave the 99 for the one that is lost. If you are saying that His parable is false, then that means you are calling Jesus a liar.
ty April someone with common sense here. i dont understand where people get the idea that for 1 God would be in favor of forcing his people to stay married. and 2 the sin factor like you said. God loves us all equal and hates the sin. it makes no difference what the sin is. Hence the word sin meaning to miss the mark. doesn’t matter how far off. if your not dead on you’ve sinned. your absolutely right about lifestyle in today’s world. we lost morality and education. and whos to say that God chose all the people in this country to marry their current spouse? anyone who has a close relationship with Christ knows we dont choose our husband or wife. we make mistakes. we may think we know what our path is but God can change that at any moment. the only absolute truth is the word of God, everything else we screw up. and obviously this is another feeble attempt at another one of those screw ups.
>>Kristen
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>>As a Christian, you should pray for the salvation of the homosexual the same as you would for any other person in sin.
Kristen, you are “preaching to the choir”. However, not everybody here is in your choir. Perhaps the USA was founded by Christians. Perhaps the Plymouth Colonists were truly seeking the “religious freedom” to impose their beliefs on others that they had been denied in England.
That does not matter. The law is the law, and if we were to do everything the way we might speculate our “founding fathers” forsaw things being done, you (apparently a woman, by your name) would not have an opinion considered being worthy of publication or even much consideration at all. Even that, assuming you are White.. As a woman, you would not have the right to vote, own property, or say “no” to your owner’s (husband’s) sexual advances. You could be sold by your father to him, and he could beat you at will, as long as he didn’t use a stick that was thicker than his thumb.
Some people have proposed that gays be given the right to have “civil unions” and thus enjoy the legal benefits of marriage, as long as the religious right of others to impose their beliefs on others are preserved by forbidding gays to sanctify their unions in willing houses of worship and to call them “marriages”. What these people either do not realize or do not care about is that those aspects are the entirely religious ones. Those who oppose the solomnization of gay unions as marriages, called marriages, are literally opposing the rights of their neighbors to observe and celebrate their own religious beliefs. They seek a monopoly on religious language, arguing that somehow if others are permitted to use language and ritual in a way that offends their prejudices, their own marriages will be in jeopardy.
I would disagree, but why bother? Even if gays calling eachother married is a threat to the marriages of religiously inspired homophobes, or any other homophobes, it is not the responsibility, nor the right, of government to create a law respecting the establishment, or the preservation, of their religion.
That’s just the rule of law. Usually God is in favor of mankind having laws and following them without hypocricy and favoritism. If He is in fact opposed to an honest application of the First Ammendment, then it seems that the very root of the American system of democracy is an offence to Him. If so, then America is an abomination before His sight, as Rev. Phelps preaches.
I don’t believe that either. I would like to point out that the laws of Moses were created, or transmitted (whichever you prefer), to a people who had just come out of the martial man-on-man-rape culture of ancient Egypt, where sodomy was a respected expression of dominance over a defeated foe … and that three of the four actual accounts of man-on-man sex in the Bible are accounts of rape. The fourth is an example of the hebrew people’s zealous execution of their new law and of those who broke it; it is listed along with the executions of a man who gathered wood on saturday, a man who raised a fist to his parents, and a boy who blasphemed the name of God. We don’t see much of the religious right pushing for laws against those things … yet.
There are 2 meaning for the word marriage. One is a religious sacrament; the other is a legal contract.
The County Clerk issues a contractual license. Anyone authorized by the state can perform a ceremonial sacrament to validate that license.
They are 2 separate actions, and should not be merged into one concept.
It is only because every state uses the legal term “marriage”, in their laws and constitutions, and not “civil union”. This is the reason gays need to get “married”.
It’s just a word.
Gays should not be able to get married, and God willing if this measure passes, they will not be able to divorce either. Nothing will send a clearer message to unmarried homosexual deviants than denying them the right to get a divorce.
And while I understand that some want to ban divorce for all, it’s clear from Jesus’s teachings that exemptions were made for God-fearing white Christian men. We would be dishonoring the Word of God if we were to ignore that.
finally, an intelligent remark!
Thaaaaank Yoooou!!!
That was a Thaaaank Yooou to Druthulhu, by the way.
You are a sad example for historic inventions. These seem to be the history archives of your oppinions. You seem to fall into the same catagory of people who have taught the myth of the “flat earth” presumption as being the reason for Christopher Columbus setting sail to the Americas. The truth is, as he wrote in his own diary entries, he mentioned the calling of God inspiring him to go and preach the Gospel, as is mentioned in the Gospel accounts of Matthew and Mark, to the utter most parts of the world.
reference: The Light and the Glory by Peter Marshall and David Manuel. Available at amazon.com
The Egyptian Sun God RA (Also known as Horus, the son in the Holy Trinity) “sets” every night. Then, the night God “Seti” takes control.
RA (Horus – the son of God), guilds the human soul thru the night on his barge, protecting us from Seti, until the next morning when the SUN OF GOD IS RESSURECTED, and a new day begins.
yes, yes … we all know where youtube is
Yeah..ban divorce so that when a man or woman is hooked up with a partner who is so utterly insanely violent they can tell gawd in the end.. “Well, I got my ass beat daily and all the kids were burned in the oven, but i didn’t get divorced! Do I get a cookie?”
The Bible isn’t against divorce. It even makes provisions for it in the old testament. God isn’t some small minded person who doesn’t realize that people make mistakes and marry the wrong people. You aren’t going to Hell if you get divorced. That is why marriage is supposed to be kept holy and is a serious decision. People need to stop getting married because of “the tingles” and start looking for someone they can love years from now who they can commit themselves to.
The bible is completely self-fulfilling. It gets changed and re-written to allow everyone to feel better about themselves.No one wants to interpret the bible literally if THEY are the ones who are wrong but everyone is so quite to quote it literally when it comes to others. Gluttony is a sin in the bible, yet I don’t see anyone lining up to ban all of our Over-Indulgent American ways. Funny how that works.
The Bible is It’s Own interpreter, It Own dicitonary, and is the God-breathed inspired Word of God in It’s original languages. The Words of Scripture are true and trustworthy in It’s accounts/testimonies of history and moraliy and do have a parabolic nature which reveal things Spiritually by means of earthly examples using types, figures, and shadows that teach about heavenly truths. When comparing Scripture with Scripture, the Bible reveals the “dove-tailing” effect of pointing more precisely to truth. Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little. The Bible is infallible and can not be broken. People’s understanding is fallible, but the Holy Word of God is not fallible. The Gospel is preached even in the Old Testiment Scriptures, even in Genesis. The historic accounts which are true and trustworthy, are also historic parables that utilize parabolic language proclaiming Spiritual truth by earthly examples. Take the creation account of Adam and Eve for example. This, although absolutely true to history, is also absolutely true Spiritually relating to Jesus Christ and the church (i.e. His people, the true believers). Compare the verses in Genesis 2:18-25 to the verses in Ephesisans 5:22-33 (notice in particular verses 28-32 and closely examine verse 32). Here is a great example which is testified by the New Testiment Scriptures Themselves. Be blessed in the Lord!
http://www.blueletterBible.org
http://www.e-Sword.net
http://youtube.com/ReadPsalms1
http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literature/study/study_contents.html
dear stephanos,
by what you are saying, in seeking to become more faithful it would seem as if you are committing a diservice to your [and my] religion.
the council of trent responded to this idea (sola scriptura) directly. you cannot rely on scripture alone for two very large reasons
1. beliefs which cannot be demonstrated to be grounded in scripture are automatically rejected. thus what of the immaculate conception of mary?
2.a new emphasis came to placed upon the public status of scripture within the church and thus the reformers used commentary more than the scripture itself.
the council of trent insisted that scripture AND tradition are to be given equal weight during theological deliberations. yes they still deliberate over theology, dont ever forget that they still havent worked everything out. scripture needs to be INTERPRETED reliably or it may become a highly individualist interpretation that would be destructive of church order and doctrine.
were it true that it were its own interpreter popes would not publish incyclicals and saints would not write letters or books.
If you’d ban marriage for two loving humans who don’t fight or abuse each other(who happen to be gay) in the name of “protecting marriage”, then you must also “protect marriage” and ban divorce. It’s only fair. This is all about the hypocrisy of Prop 8 and those who voted YES for it…..which I’m guessing includes yourself. I guess what’s good for the goose isn’t quite good enough for the gander, eh?
Empty promises spoken into the air between people who practise sexual perversions between same gender people are truly not in the catagory of marraige to begin with. It is only something the vile affected perverted have devised from their wicked imaginations and have pushed and levereaged upon the simple who have no Spiritual understanding and discernment. Therefore these do not have the same rights as do marriages. You are left disappointed against the truth of the Bible. Naked and ashamed.
Stuffynose: Your lyrical sophistry leaves me breathless. It is only the God-adoring among us that can imbue words with such depth of meaning. I liked the part about being naked and ashamed against the clothes-stripping power of the Biblical Truth. Let me add my own fiery rebuke to Kelly:
An empty promise, in the air took place between people who engage in homosexual, same-sex marriage is not a true class, for the start. This is just some annoying problems prevented the evil has planned to disburse a simple lever, there is no spirit of understanding and insights. So, you do not have the same rights as married couples. I’ve been disappointed that the truth of the Bible. Humiliation and embarrassment.
I must tell you I would vote for this if it qualifys for the ballot. I know to you it is a joke, but I agree with the premise of a lifetime marriage. Perhaps people would think long and hard before marrying. We would save a fortune on family court costs and people could still run to Nevada for a quickie divorce, just like they did a few decades ago. If you market this properly the religious groups will most likely embrace it. Good luck with this and I hope I see it on the ballot in 2010. I support marriage.
I agree with you Tim. I voted “Yes” on 8 and I would vote “yes” on this too. I know this initiative it is meant to be just to prove a point and is basically sarcastic, but I’m fine with it. I say protect marriage.
omg this is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard. ban divorce LMAO…people cant save their own marriage now u need a law to ban it wow how sad. same people that ban gay marriage is gonna ban divorce hahahahah funny
No. Actually it’s the people who banned gay marriage that will find this proposal so ridiculous. It’s completely the same concept. Prop 8 was to “protect marriage”, well so is this, but for some reason it’s so ridiculous to people. Why is that? People voted to amend the constitution to take the right away from gays to be married. It only seems logical for people to vote to amend the constitution and “protect marriage” and ban divorce. It IS completely ridiculous, but so was Prop. 8 and this is proving that point. It’s so ridiculous to people now because it might actually affect THEM.
I think we could make support for this skyrocket if we could provide an exemption for Christians.
NO DIVORCE FOR NON-CHRISTIANS!
Actually, if divorce were made illegal, the problems caused might lead some people to understand that it simply does not work to have all Biblical rules enacted into statutory law.
One of the Ten Commandments is, “Thou shalt not covet.” Why don’t we enact that into law? Of course, it would be difficult to determine whether someone has violated that law, but there is a solution. If we suspected that someone had violated that law, we could interrogate him or her, perhaps with the assistance of waterboarding.
Holy crap nobody gets the satire and has a laugh? Jesus we are such a humor and irony challenged country. On divorce, I kind of like Gregg Allman’s comment on getting a 6th divorce: I’m starting to think it’s me!
The truth?
http://www.TheVelvetJesus.com
-Andy
Thanks for the laugh! This whole thing is stupid, this guy is just after his 15 minutes of fame!
Do you think an eternity of being tormented by demons in a lake of fire amusing? If so, you might be laughing for the rest of time!
Divorce is an abomination, it must be banned!
A child needs two parents, we must protect the family.
If you don’t like it, don’t get married, get a civil union instead.
You guys are delusional.
I feel sorry for you.
(in b4 ppl feeling sorry for my condemned soul =])
The bible CLEARLY STATES that Jesus CONDEMNS divorce. Divorce is a SIN. Religious Leaders will be committing BLASPHEMY if they do not ENCOURGE their congregations to vote for this proposition!
EXACTLY! The Bible warns of bearing false witness, and if you think Jesus only hated homosexuals (which He did), but didn’t hate divorce, then you are praying to a false idol (probably one of the long-haired versions that hippies like to paint).
are you insane? is everyone here insane? start reading the bible instead of throwing it out of context. you cant use one verse. God granted divorce in the old testament because He cant force people to do something they clearly do not want to do. yes its a sin. almost everything we do on a daily basis is a sin. it doesnt make it right but no one here has any right to point out someone elses sin because they are not without sin themselves. Jesus didnt even condemn the adulterous women because he said those of you who are without sin cast the first stone. noone did. bible says take every thought captive. yes our thoughts can be sins also. Jesus said if you look at another women and lust after her you already committed adultery with her in your heart. read the 66 books rather than making dumb statements. im sick of all these so called Christians who think they know everything. oh this is a sin this is a sin. we know that. thats why we need Jesus. if we were not sinners we wouldn’t need Him. give up your retarded statement and use common sense for a change.
freedom of religion in america not just Christianity..
Well This will never be signed off even if all Christians in the entire world signed it… What if you are having unhappy marriage and is being treated unfair? think about what it would be like if it was you. All of you… You, of course, would reply and snap to me about being sinning and stuff…but lets face it. If you were miserable with the current marriage and your husband/wife was beating you/ insulting you, you would want to separate after months at most. Think before posting.
Christians are opposed to this ban marriage. God is about free will even at the cost of immorality. if He wasn’t we would all be robots with no choice.
No. You don’t know what you are talking about. (Proper) Christians are not against this ban. We believe that marriage has to be protected – and this is the best way of protecting marriage.
misguided Christians are in favor of this. read the word of God for a change. use your brain. this is bible 101. id hate to see something really challenging come up. God would never force us to be binded in marriage. did you not even read the bible? he granted a divorce to those who simply wouldnt stop complaining. is it wrong? of course it is. do i agree people should divorce? no of course not, but to say its Gods will for people to be forced like this is clearly a move by the fleshly minds of men not God. you are wrong and clearly need to know God rather than profess that Christians are all in favor of this.
Actually, Jesus elsewhere says that in Heaven there is neither marrying nor giving in marriage, so marriage is not eternal, lasting only until death. (Sorry, Mormons.) I believe he also allowed that adultery were permissible reason for divorce.
But should we not prove our devotion to traditional marriage, that institution which has not changed one jot or tittle in three thousand years, by going _beyond_ the call of duty and enforcing a total ban on divorce? Maybe then we can all feel we are righteous and not wake up EVERY SINGLE NIGHT in a cold sweat fearing that God condemned you to Hell at the beginning of time, or knew it would happen and did nothing to stop it (the two are equivalent according to the First Law of Robotics, which I believe to be in play with an advanced technology like Jehovah-1).
(Are people bron gay, or do they become gay JUST TO PISS OFF DICK ARMEY?!)
We’re an army of Dicks
With a very wide stance
Let’s get the government out of our lives
And into our pants
I guess that since there is no marriage in heaven, we’ll all have to become promiscuous when we go to heaven.
No, we’ll have none of that evil lust, which is a consequence of our Fall—Adam and Eve might have ended up reproducing, but it would have been out of sheer desire to obey the LORD’s commandment to be fruitful and multiply, not out of any desire for sex.
(To paraphrase Will Rogers, ‘It’s easy to be funny when yoiu have the Church Fathers writing for you.’)
Beside, the feeling of being in God’s Presence will make even the best orgasm you ever had seem like having your skin slowly flayed off (with baccalà strips on a Stanley orbital sander) by comparison.
The bible was written by the Vatican and says what it wants about marriage. God has endowed me with the right to rule as I see fit. How do I know what Jesus did or did not say on the matter, I was not there, and neither were you. If it were true that Jesus had 12 disciples, why could only 4 of them write anything down. Its not adultery when you realize that God has given you the right to rule your own destiny, though it may piss the little misses off.
Cheers!
Henry
well henry, luke was not an apostle and if you read the rest of the bible youll see letters written by some of the other apostles as well..but htats not the point..God gave us free will yes..the will to choose his ways or the worlds ways…the vatican didnt write the bible.not sure where you got that from..also God defines adultry not man..God also defines marriage between one man and one woman for life..we can choose eternal life thru christ or not..i didnt have to be there to see all i have to do is look around and know god created the everything we see..
Excellent article which speaks about what God says concerning divorce. I really learned alot from this article.
http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literature/joined/joined_intro.html
http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literature/joined/joined_contents.html
I liked this part the best:
In I Corinthians 7:27 we read, “Art thou bound unto a wife?” The binding or shackling of the wife to the husband can be broken only by the death of the husband as Romans 7:2-3 plainly teaches. She is bound to him as long as he lives.
God: 1, Godless liberals: 0.
The Bible clearly says. Protect the sanctity of marriage, ban divorce. Protect the family, our children need two parents. Get a civil union instead if you can’t hack marriage!
Yeah! Godly Christians: 1. Godless homosexuals: 0.
Also, just want to point out
http://WWW.Youtube.com/GlorifyTheKing
Jesus is Love. Jesus is God. Jesus is Lord
And love is eternal and so to follow the Lord, marriage – ones vow of love eternal, must be protected by people who think it’s just a way to recieve special benefits. Protect the sanctity of Marriage, ban divorce.
and as for banning divorce. Stopping someone from entering a relationship due to whatever reason (social norms, tax benefits, religion, etc) is much different than stopping someone from leaving a relationship. Relationships can be abusive, and people have freedoms in this country. You can’t force someone to be with someone they don’t want to be with. That is what makes America free. I feel sorry for all the homosexuals and battered women out there. The self righteousness on this site is appalling. I had hoped people were more mature than this. Focus on your own lives, and improving the lives of others( as your Jesus spoke about). Why waste your energy enacting a law which stops a battered woman from leaving an abusive husband. And prop 8 passed, leave homosexual people alone. I don’t think its real, I believe it’s a social thing, but nonetheless, let them be. In fact, be kind to one, as they are still humans, and still equals. They have their own paradigms, you may have yours. Now that its not an institution, let them be.
When I first heard of prop 8, my gut reaction was to tack on the exact language proposed here. My next thought would be to limit votes to only those who had never been divorced ( “let he who is without sin cast thefirst stone”) granted that would exclude me, but you get the point. Anyone interested in how ridiculous this argument will look to future generations, look up Loving v. Commonwealth of Virginia.
P. S. Someone stated that try voted for prop 8 bc marital tax benefits are for people who have a family: 1. Gay couples can have children, whether through adoption or surrogate. 2. As a heterosexual married with NO plans of
children, should I not have the right to marry? What happens if a woman is not able to reproduce? Does that make her an ineligble bride? Careful! That slope is slippery!
Ok.. first off. These religious extreamists need to be put down NOW. This is the STUPIDEST thing Ive ever seen. Im already mad over the ban over gay marriage.. but this? Really? AND BY THE WAY! The link to this page that has the comment: “Hell is eternal – just like how your marriage was supposed to be” yeah um.. MARRIAGE ISNT MEANT TO BE ETERNAL! Once you or your spouse dies, the marriage is OVER. Fucking idiots..
Love is eternal and goes on long after the death of a spouce. Even in death we are bound to that love. Marriage is our confirmation and commitment to that love eternal. We must ban divorce – the abomination that destroys our families, and our moral values.
ok i think you have lost your mind. your statement that Jesus loves you less if you get divorced. is that some sort of sick joke? am i not seeing the whole picture here? it looks like you are a radical spreading lies.to ban divorce bans free will. i agree people should not get divorced but even God himself granted it to those who complained enough. not because he wanted it but because he cant force people into anything. hence the words free will. gay marriage is obviously not Godly. its not even biologically sound. and yes God does speak about gays in the old testament. of course the word doesn’t exist back then. heck the word gay is taken out of context now a days so that retarded argument is nullified. im not sure what your view points are but from face value it looks to me like your just putting on a show, throwing bible versus around and trying to look like you stand for something true , but fail to prove that your anything but another radical spreading lies and a false ideology. try to ban what ever you want. it’ll never happen in this case. the jokes over. why dont you spend your energy helping the homeless or anyone less fortunate than worrying about a retarded bill like this one.
The whole picture is that marriage needs to be protected. And the best way to protect it is to ban divorce.
Be careful their Joe, with your talk about free will. We don’t want people thinking that this free will thing covers other stuff like abortion.
Thank you Joe. I think it would behoove us to mind our own business and live our lives as we see fit because, in the end, we all will receive our comeuppance. Lastly, if everyone is such a big Jesus fan, why can’t they remember that He said that we must seek our OUR OWN salvation with fear and trembling?
Just a little food for thought, America.
I could not agree more with this movement…well maybe a little more…
Not only do we as Christians need to work to ban divorce, but we also need to ban marriage outside the christian church! Any marriage outside the christian church is not marriage in the eyes of God! If Jews or Mormons want to marry, then they should convert. After all, the Christian God is the only TRUE God! No more of these Justice of the Peace civil ceremonies that mock traditional marriages(these could be considered a larger threat to the sanctity of marriage than divorce and gay marriage combined.) Come on people, we need laws in this country against sin! I know that God already has law against these things, but we need man laws!!! Don’t cloud things up with thought, lets get things done with thoughtless actions!!!
If marriage is supposed to be sacred why do people have affairs? Either stop divorce or let gays marry. Voting to ban gay marriage and yet having an affair or getting divorced makes a mockery out of marriage. You can’t have it both ways. Either marriage is for a man and a woman and you never get divorced because you take marriage seriously or let gay’s marry.
PS. Been together with my husband for 20 years. Been married for almost 19 years to the same man. Never had an affair and still love each other.
All of you with the exception of maybe one are crazy right wing religious fanatics that are no better than insane jihadist. What happened to moderation and being rational. If jesus was here he would slap the shit out of all of you for being so close mined and ignorantly following a paradigm of belief with out even questioning it for its validity. you are all hypocrites , this will never pass. I found this on facebook everyone with a brain thinks you don’t have one.
Jesus’ love is ALWAYS perfect (that’s what makes Him God)….even if we get divorced (Remember that!) But, it is a sin.
I support this site!
The bible says that when you are a true believer, you will be revealed things. Only true believers are shown things like why some sins (like divorce) are acceptable and other sins (like homosexuality) are not acceptable and will damn you to hell-fires.
I wanted to post something else too, all of you who said that Jesus “hates” gays or God hates this or God hates that… really? God hates? Jesus hates? I thought both were benevolent and all loving? So it cant be in there nature to hate. You people who support this crap and are down upon others like homosexuals are truly the ones going to hell because YOU are spreading hate YOU are spreading destruction. People like me who dont follow faith blindly and who are understanding of everyone are not the ones going to Hell. Think about it for a second “I hate gays so im going to Heaven” That doesnt sound right does it? And btw dont say you hate gays, if you voted for prop 8 you hate gays and I ought to smash your face in for it.
To Zack, you know when someone is getting married and they say, “I, (name), take you (name), to be my (wife/husband), to have and to hold from this day forward, for better or for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish; from this day forward UNTIL DEATH TO US PART,” that’s what they mean by eternal. Their marriage is supposed to be eternal (with each other) until the death of one.
My marriage vows said nothing of the sort. I had alternative vows suggested by my pastor.
Which is contradictory because if the marriage is going to end inevitably then it cant be eternal. Score one for logical thinkers!
I love this site. Whoever created it is a smartass genius. I am having a hard time trying to figure out who is totally clueless and who really understands what the site is about. But it is very hilarious. I am going to pass it along to all my friends.
Here is my view coming from a Christian… I have a wonderful 4 year old daughter. I am married to a wonderful man who is not the father of this 4 year old. I was in a relationship for 7 years and married to her father for 2 of those years. When I found out I was pregnant, we hit a rocky road and we went to counseling provided by the Church and still the marriage ended in divorce. Why? He felt it necessary to have multiple partners while we were married. I then remarried 4 years later and am an avid church-goer and believe in the word. There are many christians who are re-married and still active in the word. The bible does have its word and there are many points that must be followed but God knows that we are not perfect, which is why there is forgiveness and the ability to repent. For a human being to make the claim that “God will love you less if you get divorced” is ludacris. What sets one human being apart from the rest? Does this human being not sin? Is this human being perfect in the eyes of God? What makes this human being more qualified to make the assumptions for God when God can speak for himself? When this person can answer these questions for my Holy Father, then I will take into account his views. I feel that if one person has not been through what a lot of us have and watching our marriage end in divorce and we cannot stop it, then they should not feel that they know what is best. Saying that God will love you less if you get divorced and saying that you need to stay in the marriage till death do you part. What do we say to the children who lose their mothers because the husband places his hands on her and takes her life. Instead of getting out, the children then end up losing both parents and placed into a foster care system where there is little chance that they will be placed in a permanent home. I feel that the person that started the movement needs to take into account these issues also because not all of the United States is religious or follows the word of God. There is evil out there and they must research all of this. That is how I feel.
ty Kristen Cook. another one with common sense. ty ty ty. you have more patience than i do for idiocy.
Finally someone who is both religious AND has sound logic.
You know Ludacris?!
This is a poor argument in favor of gay marriage. Although none of the gospels mention Jesus teaching on gay marriage, St. Paul clearly rejects homosexual acts. For Christians, St. Paul is divinely inspired, so Jesus spoke through Paul.
To put it another way, Jesus never condemned kiddie porn either – do you think he’s down with that?
golly gosh batman, I never thought I’d ever say you’re wrong…
Jesus condemned all crimes against children. You’re a real sicko Batman! No wonder you make me dress up in these tights. Getting your jollies are you? Well Batman, you’ll never touch me. BLAM — BLAT — POW — BAM
yeah batman you are truly haven’t got a clue. Jesus was very specific about hurting children but you wouldnt know this cause you havnt even read one book from the Gospels.
Yeah – but he didn’t mention taking photos – or using the internets to access video did he? Now why was that?
Good thinking Batman.
Carrie P. if you have to use idiotic arguments like that you clearly need to pick up some form of common sense. all your trying to do is be the devils advocate. If you think that child pornography is acceptable by God I hope he has mercy on you for your utter foolishness. Read the bible He is clear that we know right from wrong and are without excuse cause God has written His laws on our hearts. If you dont know right from wrong then you need to seek medical help. People today call it a conscience.
Batman: Exactly. It’s easy to decipher what Jesus meant by reading his disciples: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Joe.
What Jesus condemned:
- idolatry
- homosexuality
- abortion
- fat chicks
- bearing false witness
- Barack Hussein Obama
What Jesus adored:
- Christianity
- God
- The Lord
- Jesus
- Christians
- God Warriors
- Heterosexuals
- Loving Hatred
- blond pageant winners
Oh Joe. You flirt you.
I’m a God warrior!
LETS ALL GET THIS CORRECT. THIS IS CALLED SOCIALISM. THIS IS WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS.
Socialism is unGodly. All forms of socialism, including the killing of innocent seniors, Islamic terrorism, and lack of respect for religious institutions, should be BANNED. If you say something bad against my church, you’re a socialist and you belong in JAIL!
I’m confused…I thought that God hated FIGS, not fags.
http://godhatesfigs.net/
Oh, this is just too much fun! People all go nuts when it comes to sports, politics and religion (I think there must be a connection…Hmm). Anyways, God isn’t worry about our puny little squabbles about right or wrong when he’s got the WHOLE INFINITE UNIVERSE to deal with (he’s too busy to worry about who marries who and what have you when IK Pegasi is about to go Supernova on his watch…). Cheers!
Religion is for believers. If you don’t believe should you go to church? If you don’t believe in God should you go to church? I say no. Others say that if you go you will learn to believe. Sounds like brainwashing to me… I think that the people who wrote the bible were tripping on LSD, PCP and mushrooms and saw burning bushes and people walking on water blah blah blah. If someone told me pigs could fly I wouldn’t believe unless i saw it for my own eyes. Yet people believe a book supposedly written thousands of years ago. My father ins a minister, I know all about Christianity, I was raised in a church 4 days a week. I don’t believe a word, why? I haven’t seen any proof. So all you with faith can live by the word of God. You will be dead before you know I am right. I will enjoy life. I have morals, I don’t have religion.
Nothing amazes me more than a stark telling of the simple, plan truth, and watching stupid people try to pretend That Which Is is Anything But That Which Is. A wise man once wrote, “All prayer, in its most basic form, can be reduced to this: Please, God, let 2+2= anything other than 4.”
One of the best Christian speakers I ever heard said, “I thought that the Bible was a series of Don’ts. After I read it, I found all of the Do’s. If you spend your time doing the do’s, you don’t have time to do the don’t's.”
The number one threat against marriage is divorce. According to a series of polls and studies done here in Indiana (The Buckle Of The Bible Belt!), it was determined that in this state the two parent household with children that the two parents created was a thing of the past. The majority of households in this state are made up of single parents and/or blended families. Granted, this was in the early 90′s and I would like to thing that things have changed, but I fear not.
Divorce is a crime against marriage and must be stopped!!
People are inherently sinners and can never live up to the standards set by God. Being as such, the only way to truly protect the sanctity of marriage is keep people from it! Instead of banning divorce, lets ban all marriages immediately. Once marriage is off the table, we will watch the divorce rate drop to zero. That will surely please God!
Im only giving a few examples to support that the foundation of this country is upon religion and morals. Never was it an establishment of religion but rather its founding principles . Many want to claim that it wasnt but if one is to research further and read even the Federalist papers for exp. it will be clear this is the case. There are many quotes from ben and the others on morality and religious principles. They taught creationism in Schools and in 1828 Noah Websters dictionary which was the official dictionary of the United States had many biblical references and ill give just one for times sake.
EDUCA’TION, n. [L. educatio.] The bringing up, as of a child, instruction; formation of manners. Education comprehends all that series of instruction and discipline which is intended to enlighten the understanding, correct the temper, and form the manners and habits of youth, and fit them for usefulness in their future stations. To give children a good education in manners, arts and science, is important; to give them a religious education is indispensable; and an immense responsibility rests on parents and guardians who neglect these duties.
The first two Presidents of the United States were patrons of religion. George Washington was an Episcopal vestryman, and John Adams described himself as “a church going animal.” Both offered strong rhetorical support for religion. In his Farewell Address of September 1796, Washington called religion, as the source of morality, “a necessary spring of popular government,” while Adams claimed that statesmen “may plan and speculate for Liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand.” Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, the third and fourth Presidents, are generally considered less hospitable to religion than their predecessors, however while in office, both offered religion powerful symbolic support.
Benjamin Franklin delivered a famous speech, asking that the Convention begin each day’s session with prayers, at a particularly contentious period, when it appeared that the Convention might break up over its failure to resolve the dispute between the large and small states over representation in the new government. The eighty one year old Franklin asserted that “the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this Truth that God governs in the Affairs of Men.” “I also believe,” Franklin continued, that “without his concurring Aid, we shall succeed in this political Building no better than the Builders of Babel.”
“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness — these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles.”
George Washington
“Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people. The general government . . . can never be in danger of degenerating into a monarchy, an oligarchy, an aristocracy, or any despotic or oppresive form so long as there is any virtue in the body of the people.”
George Washington
Joe,
I wouldn’t have bothered with this response, but, from your post below – I see that you don’t make adequate allowances for your own ignorance.
i) Schools rarely teach a scientific theory that hasn’t yet been discovered.
ii) Webster believed that religion should be an integral part of education, stop using ‘post hoc ergo propter hoc’ arguments. Further, the US, does not, and never has had, an equivalent of the Académie française.
iii) Applying Set Theory will help you understand the connection between christianity, morality, spirtuality and religion.
Seriously, I preferred you when you were a plumber. You were funnier too.
Firs off i never stated that the U.S. had an equivalent to Académie Française. We never had anything of the sort. Im simply showing a few quotes out of hundreds that show we are founded upon religious principals. Until the late 19th century, creation was taught in nearly all schools in the United States. This is fact. You can say its not but it doesnt change the truth.
What does set theory have to do with Christianity, religion.morals all of that? This isnt a math class. Im talking history you idiot.
You said that Webster’s was the official dictionary for the United States. Unlike in France, where a government body (l’Académie française) proscribes the dictionary – there has never been an official dictionary for the english language. Webster created a huge resource – that has proven over the years to be very useful. But it has never been ratified or adopted as an official document – and his definitions are not to be taken (dare I say it) as gospel. He was deeply Christian – and his definitions are influenced by his beliefs. Webster believed religious education to be an indispensable part of education – and so he might well have used it in his definition of what education should be.
It was his dictionary – so that is his right to define education however he wished. But that doesn’t prove that it was the ‘official’ view of what education should be.
Darwin published “On the Origin of Species” in 1859. This provided a catalyst in the development of, and the collection of data to prove, the Theory of Evolution. So it is of no surprise that creationism was still being taught in schools until the late 19th century. You can’t teach a theory that hasn’t yet been discovered.
There was a time when schools taught that the sun revolved around the earth. And then scientists developed a deeper scientific understanding and they stopped teaching it. That is the nature of human development and scientific discovery.
Of course it took a few hundred years before the church-run government stopped executing scientists for promoting this theory – and to accept the scientific reality. It makes you think doesn’t it?
I missed your second post.
Set theory makes use of Venn Diagrams to assist with classification. It provides a useful visualization tool for people who have a hard time with concepts such as, for example, that religion and morality are neither, necessarily, mutually exclusive or inclusive.
In 1828 Noah Websters dictionary was the official dictionary used in all schools at that time. Im not stating it was always the official dictionary. I should have been more clear. There is no need to analyze this anymore that what it is. History shows that this is the founding principals of the United States. Yes I know science changes. I know what set theory is but in this case it doesn’t apply cause all im stating is that the foundation of this country was set upon religious principals. and once again ill giive more proof of that:
As you walk up the steps to the Capitol Building which houses the Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world’s law givers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view — it is Moses and the Ten Commandments!
As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors have the Ten Commandments engraved on each lower portion of each door. As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall right above where the Supreme Court judges sit a display of the Ten Commandments!
There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C.
James Madison, the fourth president, known as “The Father of Our Constitution” made the following statement “We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.”
Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said, “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians…not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ”.
Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher…whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777.
Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies.
Thomas Jefferson worried about that the Courts would overstep their authority and instead of interpreting the law would begin making law…an oligarchy…the rule of few over many…
The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said, “Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers.”
This is my point nothing more. If you want more proof read the federalist papers.
Ummm, no, Jesus loves us regardless of what we do. He may be saddened by things, but that never changes His love.
You are so right, he loves us all so long as we are all christians, heterosexual, of non-arab descent, and never get an abortion. Ah the love!
Amazing how people like to twist things…
There should be a way to stop a divorce, just as there were six ways 20 years ago. But attorneys make money out of a divorce. Often a third of the family estate.
Disabled people are not protected in any way in a divorce. Where is the great Federal Protection of the handicapped in family law? No where.
Family courts don’t follow superior court laws of evidence. Its all he said she said. What gets thrown out in superior court civil law is allow in superior court family law, but not 20 years ago. Its all recent history and out of control. Family has a debtor’s prison which is unconstitutional.
Stop Family Law – Support Fatherhood.
I used to feel that way, back when my children’s father took all the money and ran off with his girlfriend. However, at this point, much as I hate some of the things divorce can do, I’m glad it’s there when necessary.
I am tired of it being the mans fault! If women were keeping their men happy they would not stray and there would be less divorce. Is it so hard to listen to your husband and support him in his endeavors and boost his ego once in a while? If you make him feel good about himself he will not leave.
Obviously you are not familiar with sexual addictions. Your statement is a fallacy. A person can do everything within their power to make a marriage work and if the other person refuses, it doesn’t work. Sad, but true. However, many people do not understand that you cannot control the other person so if you choose to disbelieve this, I can understand that. It wasn’t easy for me to learn either.
There should be a way to stop a divorce, just as there were six ways 20 years ago. But attorneys make money out of a divorce. Often a third of the family estate.
Disabled people are not protected in any way in a divorce. Where is the great Federal Protection of the handicapped in family law? No where.
Family courts don’t follow superior court laws of evidence. Its all he said she said. What gets thrown out in superior court civil law is allow in superior court family law, but not 20 years ago. Its all recent history and out of control. Family has a debtor’s prison which is unconstitutional.
Stop Family Law – Support Fatherhood.
I take it repetition is enjoyed?
The biggest reason this wont work is most Americans are not Christians today. We have more atheists now than actual true Christians. The value system is lost. People dont hold marriage as sacred anymore. They are not taught that as the norm. Just cause the few people on here and those in favor of this bill are actively speaking doesnt even come close to the majority of those who’ll oppose this. We live in a society where liberals run the show. We cannot just say oh we need to protect marriage so we make divorce illegal and the problems solved. Thats just idiocy. 70% of all divorcees are due to infidelity. There is an 85% divorce rate for parents with an autistic child. and its 1-95 to 150 chance youll have an autistic child. The number 1 reason marriage ends up in divorce is money. People care more about material possesions than their partner in today’s world. It will never work. Itll create pissed off couples wholl be separated anyways. People get married for the wrong reasons. If you pay attention, real covenants with God, real marriages are the ones that last. when God is the center and all is second they last. Ive yet to meet anyone who put God first in their relationship end up in divorce. But this is not the norm today. This ban is a waste of time and money.
Outlaw divorce and legalize domestic violence!
For the Matt who said he voted for Prop 8 because he believes Marriage tax exemptions for children are for heteros who want to start a family, Gay people have families and children too Matt. For example, some Gay people adopt children that hetero people wouldn’t touch with a ten foot pole. There are thousands of children overlooked because they’re not newborn or babies, or they have handicaps or medical conditions, I’m not saying NO Heteros adopt these types of children (some of you on here get so literal with things lol), I’m just saying there are many many lonely, sad children out there who were given a family by Gay people, and wouldn’t have had one otherwise. As someone who was given such a chance and taken out of the HORRID foster care system, children don’t care if you’re “Gay” or “Straight”, they just want SOMEONE to love them, to come home to, to show up at their recitals and games, to protect them, to be proud of them. So for you to say only straight married people start families and deserve the tax credit and you went so far as to vote per that belief, I think that’s a sad commentary on people in our society and their elitist self-entitled only me way of thinking. Suppose one day you became a single father by accident (death or custody) and someone said you don’t deserve the tax credit simply because you’re not married to a woman? What about single heteros who have children? Good for you for voting for Prop 8 and holding on to THAT benefit only for your self, no one deserves it except people like you right? Not my parents who raised me loved me cared for me etc. when I was abandoned, or the tons of others like them?
It’s ideal for a child to have a mother and a father…unfortunately, too many children are being raised otherwise these days. (for a variety of reasons…)
It is extremely important that a mother and father raise children. 99% of all male inmates in the U.S. prison system had grown up without or with an inadequate father figure. Homosexuals cannot fill both roles. they cannot keep morality in the house while engaging in an unnatural practice. To even say they are doing whats natural shows the lack of personal knowledge one has. Biologically its not sound. scientifically it has no benefit and socially its unhealthy. Anyone who tells you they were born that way is lying to you.It is impossible to prove this. We have no memories of being a new born and no scientific evidence can support these claims. Clearly its a choice and possibly a mental condition. I know a lot of male homosexuals as I used to live in Chicago. Many are good friends of mine. They all know i disagree with their lifestyle but i do not condemn them for it. I can tell you that everyone that was willing to discuss their sexual preference with me is still attracted to women. not one that was honest said they weren’t. they all claim they were born that way but cannot provide a single shred of evidence to support their claim. so i dont veer from the point. Homosexuals should not be allowed to raise children. We do not know the adverse effects this is going to have on their behavior. Unfortunately we are failing as a moral nation and the traditional family is fading away.We are controlled by government and cannot even discipline our children without the risk of going to jail. We have child suicide at all time highs.We removed God and are reaping the consequences. The founding Fathers were pretty clear on keeping virtue, morals and religion in order to secure this republic and keep us free. We can see what happens when you loose sight of that. Why so many do not see the rapid decline in this country is beyond me. If we dont stop Homosexuals from taking over we will open the door for pedophiles and animal abusers along with whatever other group that will use equal rights to their advantage. Seriously now we are seeing possible legislation to be passed that allows teacher to have sex with 16 year olds if its consensual. more teachers are getting caught and instead of cracking down they are in the process of giving them more rights. this is the way of the liberal. this is how it starts and this is why you stop it before it spreads like cancer. If you dont we will fall as a nation. The founding fathers knew this and was clear.
True, a Child needs two parents. We must ban divorce to protect the family. Don’t like it? Don’t get married.
Amen! Just as important, our childrens are turnin into a generation of latch key kids all because of uppity women who think it’s OK with God if they go out and have careers and stuff. Well the Bible says in Proverbs 31 what a woman should do and its total obedience to the husband that God and her earthly father has picked for her!
Gov. Scwarzenhilter, if your reading this we need to OUTLAW women in the workplace without her father or husbands permission. Except Future Anointed Ruler Sarah Palin. Cause if there isn’t a man strong and righteus enough, why then God raises up a woman to show Christian men what girly men they are.
i think this whole project is brilliant! some of these comments are gutbustingly hilarious!!!!!! i’m waiting for my shirt impatiently!
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There are few states that allow gays to adopt children and they should not be allowed, period. The reasons are numerous. They can’t procreate so the child will grow up alone. There is only one of two parental figures. Most of all, children are innocent and to teach them perversion is unforgiveable. This child will never have a choice and his soul will be lost forever.
Save the souls of our children. If Lesbians give birth we must take away thier children to protect the sanctity of marriage and protect the family. Bad enough we have these non-Christians having children and making a mockery of the sanctitude of marriage! Ban Divorce. IF you don’t like, can’t hack it, don’t get married!
Especially since – do you know what is happening now? Lesbians have all started converting to mormonism – so that when 2 lesbians fall in love, they get a mormon man to marry them both so that they can be together. Then they somehow steal his sperm and have children. Then they divorce him – but they stay together and raise the children. That is why we have to ban divorce.
I’m a republican, I only like lesbians hot and in porn movies. Anything else is a crime against god
Carrie: That is indeed a wicked plot and even the Godless Mormons don’t deserve to be exploited like that by the Godless lesbians. We should look at forced sterilization of all gays and lesbians; otherwise, we are on a slow march towards fascism!
I keep seeing all of these posts from Nister that say “…a Child needs two parents. We must ban divorce to protect the family. Don’t like it? Don’t get married.”
Should a child watch one parent beat another close to death? Is that a healthy environment? Should a wife stay with her husband when he stabs her or breaks her bones? Who really gets married knowing that they will be beaten on a regular basis? I don’t understand your theory here….please explain on how this environment is better for tor a child to watch.
Alien Slide Show, should all people that cannot conceive be banned from adoption? Thats what it sounds like you are saying.
Wow Chris… sucks to be the 2nd person to comment. Esp when you’re an idiot.
Fuck you, and your Bible, and your “GAWD”
I don’t understand how F you is an insult, I mean I have spent most of my life looking for someone who will F me, so when someone says F you to me, I say thank you!
Wow I don’t know whether some people are serious or kidding but either way, this is hilarious. I love this website. The satire is amazing.
I do not know of this ‘satire’ of what you speak, Christians take life seriously humor is of the Devil unless it’s a family friendly Don Knotts movie but I hope you stay around and read these blogs maybe God will convict your heart. At this time of year espesially every time a wife says DIVORCE it makes Baby Jesus cry.