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I recently became aware of a vexing moral dilemma: a judge in Indiana is refusing to grant a married lesbian couple a divorce because the state does not officially recognize same-sex marriages. This forces gay people to remain together — in violation of traditional values. But on the other hand it prevents them from getting divorced — upholding traditional values.
Like so many of life’s moral quandries, I put this one in the hands of the Lord:
Jesus never even mentioned homosexuals or homosexual behavior — rightfully knowing that we would all assume that he felt being gay was a mortal sin, even if he never, y’know, said anything. But He clearly stated that divorce is a sin: “What God has joined together, let no man separate.”
So while it is obvious that being gay is sinful, it appears that Jesus felt that getting divorced was an even larger sin. On that basis, I think gay people who happened to get legally married will have no choice but to remain married forever. But since being gay is also sinful, I think that “married” homosexual couples should sleep in separate beds and refrain from having sex – just like real married couples.
Equality at last.
John Marcotte is a firm believer in traditional family values. He currently opposes government-funded death panels, Obama talking to children and MSNBC's entire prime-time line-up. 
That is just brilliant!
This message has a narrow vision. G-d would not want his children to judge others as this document is suggesting.
Have you ever read the bible? God is very judgmental. After all, he did destroy Sodom and Gomorah because of all the gay acts being committed within the two cities.
Oh, yeah, and then there’s the saying I hear repeated over and over by religious anti-gay people–”God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.”
Even if the xian/catholic god isn’t judgmental, his worshippers definitely are.
actually- it was more the rampant sexual acts right and left, general debauchery outside of marriage, that God destroyed the cities over. At least… that’s how I read it at the time.
Amanda, did you actually read the previous mail? Of course God can and will judge…he was saying that people cannot and should not judge each other. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
“Judge not, lest ye be judged.” God will judge each of us based on our very own standards of how we judged others in our lives. Think it over.
And remember, the Bible was written and translated many times over and over and over again… mostly by white MEN. Of course it’s full of judgements!
I am WITHOUT SIN or GUILT!. The bible is nothing but fantasy anyway–why could I care? I got a bag full of rocks and I’m gonna start tossin’ them at anyone who dares try take my CIVIL rights away.
This is a brilliant movement.
I like this site …good intentions. The Lord does condemn homosexual behavior the guy who wrote this article should really check his sources.
Lev. 18: 22 (Lev. 20: 13) Thou shalt not lie with mankind . . . it is abomination.
mankind=HEBREW translation lies with a male.
THIS IS A LIE …”Jesus never even mentioned homosexuals or homosexual behavior — rightfully knowing that we would all assume that he felt being gay was a mortal sin, even if he never, y’know, said anything.” I copied it form the above article.
As I so correctly pointed out in a previous post, Maximus, the actual bible quote is “Man(kind) shouldn’t lie TO another man as he lies TO a woman…” Gawd understood the need for men to be able to trust one another for the purposes of conducting business and foreverwar in His name, amen. And, of course, you can’t trust a woman, sez so in the Bible, so why bother being truthful with them. They’ll just use it against you in any case.
well I use the King James Version and it says WITH. We need educated commentators if this site has any influence. Please check your spelling. GOD not GAWD. I hate to correct but this is serious stuff.
Well the biblical interpretation I use is NOT the KJV, and MY Bible is the correct interpretation because I said so.
I’m sorry that you will burn in hell because you chose wrong. Maybe if you are fortunate to fall under the sword of my righteous crusade, but only if you repent in time.
Oh, yeah, and Cod hates FIGS, not fAgs. Jeebus Kryst! Get with the program!
READ THE BIBLE
Leviticus, the part of the bible that states that homosexuality is a sin, is Old Testament, and therefore not anything that Jesus had a part of.
It is also the part of the bible condemning mixing fabric types (I sure hope you don’t have any cotton/polyester blend shirts, Maximus, or you’re going to hell), and also states that its a sin to communicate with a woman when she’s on her period.
READ YOUR BIBLE MORE CLOSELY.
How would you know if a woman is on her “time of the month”? No woman ever told me when it was her “time”. I’m sure I got it wrong some times and talked to them. Have I sinned?
This is some excellent commentary, John, although an easier solution is to stone any gay or lesbian couples even considering marriage and/or divorce. Or maybe push a wall onto them.
If more people were like the excellent Jan Brewer, governor of Arizona, who bore witness to the power of Jesus when she struck down state health benefits to gay couples, we wouldn’t have a problem either. She said God chose her to do the important work of making gay couples second-class citizens, and both God and I applaud her for it.
Precisely. If we had followed the Lord’s commands in the first place and stone them before they even got married, there wouldn’t be a problem. And since the vows state that marriage ends with dead, stoning them to death now would get rid of gay marriage once and for all. No need for divorce.
*Should read “death,” not “dead.” Der.
When I married Linda Lou out back of the Waffle House, God had noting to do with it. It was Jack Daniels and speed that got me married to that horrible bitch, not God. Don’t blame this on God.
Was God there when Linda Lou showed me how to do the Brown Shower? Was God there when when we were mainlining skag? Look, I never cared about no laws anyway, why should I have to jump through hoops to get rid of this Devil Woman?
Tell you what, I did blow a guy for $5 one time when I was Jonesing for dope. It ain’t so bad, so I’ll tell you what. You gay folks can get married if you will just let me get away from this woman. She’s holed up in my trailer with my guns, my very own guns, and she won’t let me in! She has all the dope!
Please help me.
Thank you gay people,
Billy Bob DuPree
“Jesus never even mentioned homosexuals or homosexual behavior”
Although he might not have, you are wrong. In the BIBLE there is a book called RUTH in that book, two women fall in love. When one of them dies, the other says that she will arry the dead woman with her so that they shall never be appart for all eternity blah, blah, blah. IF you are smart enough to actually READ ALL OF THE BIBLE you would already know that. I read the whole Judeo/Chriatian bible when I was 12. I didnt have to, but i wanted to. RUTH should be read by every Bible thumper that CLAIMS homosexuality is wrong. BTW if its sooo wrong, then how come other animal species have homosexual tendenices? Theres the goose, donkey, Bottle Nosed Dolphin and many many more animals that exhibit homosexual tendencies. How is it wrong for one species to do it, but its okay for other species? You really need to do your homework.
Also, I forgot to write in that I am NOT a homosexual. I’ve been happily married to my husband for about 5 years now. We also have two children that we adore.
Sure, “Luna.” If anything is clear, it’s that those that support homosexual rights are homosexuals themselves. Sean Penn, Brad Pitt, Alec Baldwin – all flaming queens. In contrast, the honorable Larry Craig and Ted Haggard are 100% heterosexual – why would they rightfully bash gay people if they were gay themselves? Think about it!
This is why I think all gay supporters should be rounded up and deported to Europe.
LMAO
Excellent point!
Thanks. I think it is rediculous that people are so close minded. Seriously, Why is it considered so wrong that i fell in love with a person. just happened to be a female. OMG she has a vagina instead of a penis. She had different body parts. She still has a mind and feelings just like a man. Only reason people see that wrong is cause they were taught by their ignorant family that it is wrong. There’s nothing wrong with someone being happy. All married means is that you love them and only want them forever. I believe that i should have the right to marry her. I also bet that you agree on the death penalty. NO ONE on this Earth should have the right to take someone’s life away. That is a Sin. It’s murdered. Eye for an Eye, yes…but I do not think God was giving the right to kill. This world is so messed up. God wants me happy, right? then why are you people trying to take that away. it’s you he will punish, not me.
Cindy, I believe the Rwing, cradle-to-grave philosophy is best summed up as: “defend the fetus, ignore the child, imprison and kill the adult.”
You’re either with us or against us.
Joe the Plumber, you’re an idiot. And as far as the bible quote about what God has brought together, total crap. God did not bring my wife and me together, so if we want to divorce, we can. Bible thumpers are a bunch of morons. Oh yeah, Jesus was gay.
This too, is a reply for Joe the Plumber…
I’m straight, and I support Gay Marriage. If for no other reason, then because it will allow them both to have adequate health insurance coverage (and a non-working “partner” or spouse won’t have to be covered under the hospitals “uninsured payments” — in other words YOU AND ME.)
Please come and round me up to deport me to Europe. I have a gun and lots of ammo to explain my position to you with. Make sure that you’re the first one in line though. God hates cowards…
I like how you got the conclusion “Clearly divorce is a greater sin” from this situation. This entire thing had nothing to do with divorce being a sin, they legally just couldn’t let them get a divorce. In no way was this some sign from God to further this bad-marriage campaign.
If you don’t wanna do what Jesus himself said to do, fine. Go rot in hell for eternity with a red hot poker up your ass just like my wife Linda Lou will just as soon as I find my spare set of keys.
Jesus said over and over… hey, look, you read the book. I read it in prison and learned a lot, like how to cook meth.
Are you a pick and choose Christian or just weak in your faith? Believe Jesus. He talked out loud. He is in quotation marks. What else do you want besides the word of the Living God? Post Toasties?
Do you see now? I have been drunk all day and I have to hold a hand over one eye just so I don’t see double and let me tell you, typing that way is a bitch. So make it easy on me, my Christian brother. Use your noodle. Jesus didn’t say jack about homos. Zero. If it had been important to the Living God, you might think he would have mentioned it, eh? He did go on and on and on and on about how bad divorce is.
See? It’s simple. Be honest with yourself for once.
Best Wishes,
Billy Bob DuPree
Actually, in the Old Testament when God was leaving us with some rules to live by, he says (in Leviticus 18:22) “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.”
So even if Jesus didn’t say anything about it, his Father sure did.
Not that I PERSONALLY am condemning homosexuals. I just wanted to prove you wrong.
Stanley,
I never said God the Father didn’t mention it. I said Jesus didn’t. And he didn’t.
And I’m glad that you, too, recognize the importance of following the rules of Leviticus. How do you determine if a woman is menstruating and is thus unclean and unworthy of being touched for a week? I tried asking, and that just got me into a “training session” with human resources.
Why is it you are one of the very few that knows that. Many are trying their best to twist what the Father has said about that.
Regardless of Jesus speaking against divorce, my entire comment was directed to the fact that the situation he wrote about is not a sign from God. The fact that they couldn’t marry was a legal issue… and he was saying it was a religious sign. Also, perhaps you shouldn’t speak so strongly for the ban on divorce, your comment barely made sense and it is people like you that quotes will be drawn from and hurt your own campaign.
Yeah, but i’m sure when Jesus viewed Divorce as a Sin..Marriage wasn’t like it is now. Guys didn’t get plastered and beat their wifes. So, if my husband beats me and cheats on me, i’m supposed to just stand there and let him? I understand you should get help and try to make it better, but what if you can’t?
I, too, oppose black people talking to my children.
HAHAHAHAHAHA that is hysterical! Thank you for that. My friends and I just laughed are bottoms off! So wait…If there is a white pedophile trying to have sex with your child and a black police officer trying to save your child which one would you rather? Just curious. Hahaha. By the way I’m white, and I believe in equality between all races, you need to take your head out of the clouds and educate yourself. Ignorance is ugly. No one will ever take you seriously as a human being if you say stupid things like that. Still funny though, thanks for the laugh.
Not being taken seriously is the whole POINT of sarcasm and satire, my dear
haha wait, so I am half white and half black…so…only half of me can talk to your child? hahahaha–good point Susan.
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. You’re fucking retarted
*retarded
“retarted” works … I happen to know that s/he used to be a tart, reformed from tartification, and then relapsed and is now a tart again … so “retarted” works just fine.
This is the most brilliant thing I’ve ever read. I must be retarted too. Damn.
This is the funniest thing I have ever read… are you people serious? hahahahaha
Pleeeaaasse, check this website out, it might be helpful: http://www.cimh.org/
Hi, Canadian Bitch. Love the name. Anyhoo, we are ignorant as crap Americans down here, but we don’t say the “n-word”
So I had to delete your vile, invective-laden post. Sorry about that.
–The Management
Wow, a Canuck after my own heart! Most of you guys tend to be too pussy-footed to earn a real Conservative Christian’s respect. However, you’re just the type of bigot who attended Sarah Palin rallies. I would give you honorary Southern American citizenship in a heartbeat!
Joe, you rock!
BTW in a previous post you referred to “gay supporters.” Is that a reference to lavender jockstraps?
Remember, we Godly Christians don’t do sarcasm. Gay supporters are those who display love and tolerance towards people different from themselves, something expressly forbidden in the Bible I read. I’m pretty sure Jesus will shiv them a few times outside St Peter’s Gate before casting them down to Hell.
Don’t use hate and intolerance in the same phrase as God. That is just ridiculous. Jesus said that he sacrificed himself to be the new testament. Ever read the Bible? Jesus never said don’t be gay. Jesus never said to hate anyone. Don’t use God to further your own agenda, its just taking the Lord’s name in vain!
Jesus taught obedience to the Torah. A conception of CONTEXT is what is needed for anyone who thinks they can interpet scriptures.
I don’t need YOU to tell me how to use The Good Book selectively to support my prejudices, bub.
Hmm, Thou Shall not Judge..sound familar??….therefor, you are committing a sin by judging me for being a lesbian..
Don’t brag about your sins, cindy. The less we know the better.I’m trying to get God out of people’s beds. And Jesus, too. It’s offensive to include them into such dirty things what with all the details. Let the Government run marriage and divorce and leave the religiosity out except in your own chuch. There you can talk about it all you want. Don’t bother others and they won’t bother you.Do you go to church, cindy? If so, keep up the good work.
Okay, so I am sitting here chuckling and I just can not pass up this opporunity….. Go ahead, roll your eyes NOW!!
I am too fat and lazy to get up and go find my Bible, so someone please, go fetch yours and tell me what verses, but I know it’s in Genesis.
Remember the story about Cain slewing Able? Remember what punishment God gave Cain? That’s right, God turned Cain BLACK! That was part of his punishment, as well as being banished. God felt that Cain and all of his descendants from there until eternity should be marked. God was truly appalled that Cain could commit murder on his brother, and meted out very harsh punishment. Made the Scarlet Letter seem like a fairy tale. (No, I don’t mean a gay fable. hahaha)
I never use the ‘N’ word. But if you are going to sport the Bible, then it stands to reason that you should hang with even the most racy sections and not be ashamed of them. After all, isn’t there a lesson to be learned?
you people are so closed minded…..wake up and smell the new generation….we are in 2009. Society is changing and it will keep changing. Get over yourselves, a person should marry because of love, it doesn’t matter who marries as long as they do it for the right reason. Stay out of other peoples lives and fix your own. The generation of 2009 will not let you people tell others how to live there lives…so open your eyes and if you don’t want to and are still being ignorant well then start getting use to it…or stay in your house and never come out…!!!!!!! power to freedom, and freedom of religion, power to love. Adulturyis caused by 70% of straight marriages and the reason why the divorce rate is up is all thanks to straights…do your math!!!!
The divorce rate drops to zero if it’s illegal, crystal. Duh!
Whoa, right there. If you say “I can pick and choose my sins” and Someone else says that’s for me too. Soon a lot of people are saying it and I am too. That’s where the mess starts. Everyone doing their own thing. Pretty soon folks are having sex all over the place with what or whomever because it is fun! We can’t have that.
wtf does jesus or god have to do w/ someone being homosexual? people dont choose to be, they just are. what about the catholic priests? they are so high and mighty, why do they molest little boys? is it b/c they can be forgiven? whenever i see a priest, i think “pedophile” but when i see someone that is homosexual, i dont see anything wrong w/ it. they physically or mentally harm me or my loved ones or my child…Americas beliefs on sexuality are out of wack…and for the record, i am a straight married women.
I totally agree Kim. Every time I go to mass and receive communion from the priest, I think to myself, “Can a pedophile truly consencrate the Eucharist”. I think thats why I’m Lutheran now! haha…lol. Thanks for your comment, I enjoyed!
The gays are coming to your houses in the night for your marriages. AND WE’RE GOING TO EAT THEM!
“sleep in separate beds and refrain from having sex – just like real married couples.” – god condones love, and sex is an act of love. And if it is with your wife or husband, then that is your life partner, and idealistically speaking, assuming both were virgins until marriage, they would have only known each other in such intimate ways. I believe the act of sexual intercourse is not only for the purpose of procreating. Its serves the singular purpose of procreation for animals, but we are not animals, we have the ability of expression, and sex is also an act of expression.
Absolutely untrue. That’s why the more children you have, the more likely you’ll get into Heaven. Across my five wives, I’ve had 14 children, and since my current wife is only 16, she has plenty of child-bearing years ahead of her. (And she’s proof that you can work and take care of 14 kids, even some that are older than she is!)
Sad for the infertile – they’re going to Hell. I’m sure that rule was only put in place to make sure homosexuals were sent to Hell, but it seems to apply to the infertile as well.
“sex is an act of love”. That is one way to look at it but not the majority view. Prop 8 is the majority view that promotes marriage for the purposes of procreation until death does you in or whichever comes first. Sex for sex’s sake is recreation; not procreation. We know from the troubles of the Republican Party that being negative browns people off. Let’s put the PRO in procreation!
We really should allow Same-Sex Marriage in our lifes and we cannot go against Same-sex marriage. I think that straight marriage is wrong anyway. Women always start bad stuff with other Men like Women say that Men has to be tall to marry a Woman. Jesus never said that in the Bible. He says Man and a Woman to marry. But still i think that this country of the U.S. should allow Gay Marriage. It`s wrong for all of you to go against Same-Sex Marriage. I am gay and i support Gay Marriage.
Joe the plumber, Stop talking crap to other people who are gay. You always talk crap about Obama. Obama should send you to jail for the rest of your life. Because you hate Obama because he is black.
Stanley, that’s a typo in Leviticus, it says a man shouldn’t lie TO another man as he lies TO his wife. It only makes sense that, in order to conduct business, men must be honest with each other, but in order to keep the little lady happy, honesty is most certainly not the best policy. Keep ‘em dumb, ya know.
It’s a PROVEN FACT! I heard it somewhere on Fox News who speak for God and are infallible, that DIVORCE CAUSES HOMOSEXUALITY! The divorced lifestyle is a plot of the Gay Agenda!
No divorce for Gays. They should be forced to stay together for the sake of kids especially if they have adopted some. If we can keep them from getting married this is a moot point. But Gays getting married seems to be as popular as a man and a woman getting married. I am not sure how to deal the ones who were already married in CA or are married somewhere else like IA, VT, CT and MA and Canada, of all places. I think there may be other places added by now. Gays will continued to get married all over the world. This battle amy be lost as I write this.
Never heared of something so retarded. You idiot. Hope you get stuck with fat, non-cock sucking housewife.
Jesus loves you and you’re going to hell if you practice o ral.
Or watch too much South Park.
Wow CB, long as we are bashing, lets piss off the fat ladies too. Good job.
If we all followed the GOLDEN RULE, there would never be a need for any other rules, laws, or commandments.
“Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself.”
Actually homosexual “marriage” wouldn’t even be recognized as a real marriage in the eyes of God, so therefore no need of divorce for the homosexuals.
Just tell all those married gay folk – to move to Canada – where they got married in the first place – wait the year that they have too – and then can get legally divorced……
I also read in the Bible something like this: «.. your whip must not rest on women and slaves. »
I will always wonder why fundamentalist(*)Christians strongly follow the parts of the Bible that are cruel and disregards the ones that are tolerant. I know this question has been repeated over and over again till it lost all sense but I will do it once more.
(*) Probably because fundamentalism is used by cruel people to unleash their primary impulses.
well If God Made Adam N Eve Than He also made Adam and Steve…
Whatever happened to”Love thy neighbor”?
It apparently ONLY applies if your neighbor is of the opposite sex…
If God holds final judgement, then why can’t we all just concentrate on our own lives and leave everyone else alone. If we were busy minding our own business, we would not have time to interfere in the business of others.
More people have died in the name of GOD than for any other reason, possibly for all other reasons COMBINED.
Leave God out of it…
Stand up for your own thoughts and opinions. Be brave, have some morals and values of your own that you are willing to defend, that you are willing to teach your children, that your children will be willing to defend.
I love the idea that those laws passed in order to hurt the few could backfire on the very ones pushing for it. I love that a lot.
It’s good to see that there are plenty with the same frame of mind… just ornery enough to vote for something that would jump right out and prove our point!
…. and while you are getting indignant…hahahaha some of us are just smiling, because we knew you were p****** all along
I think that the state of California should allow Same-sex marriage more than just straight marriage. Because the state of California really needs Same-sex marriage more than just anything. Straight marriage is wrong anyway. I almost had a boyfriend who is from California and we almost dated. Joe the plumber was gay with John McCainn and Joe the plumber doesn`t want to tell anybody that he is gay.