Comments for 2010 California Marriage Protection Act http://rescuemarriage.org Safeguarding marriage from the evils of divorce Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:59:37 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 Comment on Build That Wall by Zee http://rescuemarriage.org/2009/12/31/build-that-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-3967 Zee Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:59:37 +0000 http://rescuemarriage.org/?p=400#comment-3967 LOL. Do you know the meaning of agnostic? I'm not sure you do. I'm thinking you also don't understand about life back then, and why our founding fathers would have been considered to be part of a certain church, even if they rarely if ever attended. Generally, a deist falls under the category of agnostic, and I KNOW Thomas Jefferson was one. I also know that he thought the bible was written incorrectly by over zealous fools, and that if you looked hard enough the truth would be there. He though the rules and parables outlines in the bible were bull, and that the true message was something deeper. I also happen to know that most of our founding fathers were part of the Free Masons, who believe that all religion should be reconized, and that all religions should be respected. Which is why they wanted to make a nation where that could be true. I can not find any credentials for that site. And it is .com, which is the lease reliable type since anyone can get a .com address. Actually, I think that only a sick minded person would assume something like that would happen. I'm not saying that it couldn't happen, but I'm betting it would be a lot less frequent then you think. LOL. Do you know the meaning of agnostic? I’m not sure you do. I’m thinking you also don’t understand about life back then, and why our founding fathers would have been considered to be part of a certain church, even if they rarely if ever attended. Generally, a deist falls under the category of agnostic, and I KNOW Thomas Jefferson was one. I also know that he thought the bible was written incorrectly by over zealous fools, and that if you looked hard enough the truth would be there. He though the rules and parables outlines in the bible were bull, and that the true message was something deeper. I also happen to know that most of our founding fathers were part of the Free Masons, who believe that all religion should be reconized, and that all religions should be respected. Which is why they wanted to make a nation where that could be true.

I can not find any credentials for that site. And it is .com, which is the lease reliable type since anyone can get a .com address.

Actually, I think that only a sick minded person would assume something like that would happen. I’m not saying that it couldn’t happen, but I’m betting it would be a lot less frequent then you think.

]]> Comment on Build That Wall by Joanie http://rescuemarriage.org/2009/12/31/build-that-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-3966 Joanie Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:07:03 +0000 http://rescuemarriage.org/?p=400#comment-3966 1 corinthians 8:12 12When you sin against your brothers in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause him to fall. I see this verse as saying that if someone helped someone Rob a liquor store, when they know that it is a sin to steal they are aiding that persons poor rational that justifies stealing. Which makes you a hypocrite even to that person if you turn around and say what we just did is wrong in the eye's of the lord. That is how it would be a sin for a christian wedding planner to help same sex couples plan a wedding. 1 corinthians 8:12 12When you sin against your brothers in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause him to fall.

I see this verse as saying that if someone helped someone Rob a liquor store, when they know that it is a sin to steal they are aiding that persons poor rational that justifies stealing. Which makes you a hypocrite even to that person if you turn around and say what we just did is wrong in the eye’s of the lord. That is how it would be a sin for a christian wedding planner to help same sex couples plan a wedding.

]]> Comment on Build That Wall by Joanie http://rescuemarriage.org/2009/12/31/build-that-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-3965 Joanie Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:02:35 +0000 http://rescuemarriage.org/?p=400#comment-3965 Joel there is something in Roman's, I think it's romans, about not allowing your brother to sin. My brother quoted it to me one time when I criticized him for destroying a tape that he felt was immoral rather then selling it. He for awhile had that cmc or whatever you call it and would not sell a welcome matt that said buddah on it becuase of this verse or perhasp something like it. 12When you sin against your brothers in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause him to fall. 1 corinthians 8:12 Continued on another post running out of room. Joel there is something in Roman’s, I think it’s romans, about not allowing your brother to sin. My brother quoted it to me one time when I criticized him for destroying a tape that he felt was immoral rather then selling it. He for awhile had that cmc or whatever you call it and would not sell a welcome matt that said buddah on it becuase of this verse or perhasp something like it.

12When you sin against your brothers in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause him to fall. 1 corinthians 8:12 Continued on another post running out of room.

]]> Comment on Build That Wall by Joanie http://rescuemarriage.org/2009/12/31/build-that-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-3964 Joanie Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:55:11 +0000 http://rescuemarriage.org/?p=400#comment-3964 which is why I struggle with which side to be on. it is easier to stick to what you know what the bible say's rather than speculate what God meant. when it say's in the bible that homosexuality is an abomination what does that mean for those who side with homosexuals? Would we suffer the same fate as them if we are wrong? Could this divide on homosexuality between denominations just be one more thing that will divide us when the lord returns or will our eye's be opened to the truth and will everyone be able to accept that truth? If you were somehow able to experience some sort of vision in which it was revealed to you that your lifestyle was wrong would you still believe in God. Would you still put your faith in him and give up your old ways? which is why I struggle with which side to be on. it is easier to stick to what you know what the bible say’s rather than speculate what God meant. when it say’s in the bible that homosexuality is an abomination what does that mean for those who side with homosexuals? Would we suffer the same fate as them if we are wrong? Could this divide on homosexuality between denominations just be one more thing that will divide us when the lord returns or will our eye’s be opened to the truth and will everyone be able to accept that truth? If you were somehow able to experience some sort of vision in which it was revealed to you that your lifestyle was wrong would you still believe in God. Would you still put your faith in him and give up your old ways?

]]> Comment on Build That Wall by Joanie http://rescuemarriage.org/2009/12/31/build-that-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-3963 Joanie Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:47:45 +0000 http://rescuemarriage.org/?p=400#comment-3963 To whom it may concern it is okay for me to eat shrimp so say's Act 10 9-23 read about peters vision. An angel appears to him and blesses the unclean animals we were forbidden to eat he is then invited to cornelius house however the key factor in this part of the bible is in the vision. pay attention to act 10 11-15. A voice tells peter "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." basically the voice had blessed all the unclean animals making them clean for us to eat. Sorry I couldn't find the post adressing me on this so that I could reply. To whom it may concern it is okay for me to eat shrimp so say’s Act 10 9-23 read about peters vision. An angel appears to him and blesses the unclean animals we were forbidden to eat he is then invited to cornelius house however the key factor in this part of the bible is in the vision.
pay attention to act 10 11-15. A voice tells peter “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
basically the voice had blessed all the unclean animals making them clean for us to eat. Sorry I couldn’t find the post adressing me on this so that I could reply.

]]> Comment on Build That Wall by Joanie http://rescuemarriage.org/2009/12/31/build-that-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-3962 Joanie Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:39:47 +0000 http://rescuemarriage.org/?p=400#comment-3962 Joel most people fail to realize the connect the new testament has to the old. Jesus came to die on a cross for everyone to save us from our sins. He became the ultimate sacrifice so that we no longer have to make sacrifices to God, so that we no longer have to jump through hoops to please God, all we have to do is ask for forgivness and follow Christs example. Joel most people fail to realize the connect the new testament has to the old. Jesus came to die on a cross for everyone to save us from our sins. He became the ultimate sacrifice so that we no longer have to make sacrifices to God, so that we no longer have to jump through hoops to please God, all we have to do is ask for forgivness and follow Christs example.

]]> Comment on Build That Wall by Joel http://rescuemarriage.org/2009/12/31/build-that-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-3961 Joel Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:02:30 +0000 http://rescuemarriage.org/?p=400#comment-3961 Joanie, you pick and choose what to follow and what not to follow from the Bible every single day. No one lives their life according to the Bible, because if they did, quite simply, they would be arrested. The Bible contains prescriptions considered so deeply immoral by modern society as to be unthinkable. So when you take up cause against something like homosexuality in the name of the Bible while ignoring most of its other prescriptions which are violated constantly, you're picking and choosing what is right and what is wrong, you're judging others based on your own interpretation of it, and quite simply you're being a horrible, immoral human being. And last time I checked, you people consider the act of homosexuality immoral. I don't think there's anything in the Bible about ASSOCIATING with homosexuals being immoral. That's your argument, really? You think that a helping them plan a wedding or associating with them in some way is somehow a sin? Because that makes no sense whatsoever. You're creating new sins, turning homosexuality into a sin by association, as if by acting like a civil human being to gay people makes one just as sinful and immoral as they are. That's just idiotic. You just don't seem to get that laws allowing discrimination like what you're proposing are about as un-American as one can get. People like you make me very, very sad. Joanie, you pick and choose what to follow and what not to follow from the Bible every single day. No one lives their life according to the Bible, because if they did, quite simply, they would be arrested. The Bible contains prescriptions considered so deeply immoral by modern society as to be unthinkable. So when you take up cause against something like homosexuality in the name of the Bible while ignoring most of its other prescriptions which are violated constantly, you’re picking and choosing what is right and what is wrong, you’re judging others based on your own interpretation of it, and quite simply you’re being a horrible, immoral human being.

And last time I checked, you people consider the act of homosexuality immoral. I don’t think there’s anything in the Bible about ASSOCIATING with homosexuals being immoral. That’s your argument, really? You think that a helping them plan a wedding or associating with them in some way is somehow a sin? Because that makes no sense whatsoever. You’re creating new sins, turning homosexuality into a sin by association, as if by acting like a civil human being to gay people makes one just as sinful and immoral as they are. That’s just idiotic. You just don’t seem to get that laws allowing discrimination like what you’re proposing are about as un-American as one can get. People like you make me very, very sad.

]]> Comment on Build That Wall by Bob in L.A. http://rescuemarriage.org/2009/12/31/build-that-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-3960 Bob in L.A. Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:00:06 +0000 http://rescuemarriage.org/?p=400#comment-3960 Joanie: You said "How do they know, how do you know that you are not exchanging the truth for a lie." How do you know that YOU are not exchanging the truth for a lie? What makes YOUR truth the ONLY truth. Different reasonable, religious, Christian people interpret the scriptures differently. You are welcome to believe in your truth, but please allow others to believe theirs. And I am not speaking about beliefs regarding homosexuality here. It can be about anything where there are reasonable differences in religious beliefs. As far as the question of feeling sexuality at an earlier age than you experienced it, I hope you will see that this was your experience, but not everyone's. Some people (gay or straight) are sexual at age 12 or so, others might not feel that until age 20. That's the variation in people. And that, for me, is just one example of the diversity among people as to how they are. Things like skin color, gender, intelligence, height, age of puberty, hair and eye color, sexual identity, disposition towards certain diseases, and much more are part of the genetic design, in some cases influenced or changed by later environmental and cultural forces. (Religion is a cultural and/or spiritual matter and not genetic.) I see the diversity of humans to be a blessing and not a curse. Joanie:

You said “How do they know, how do you know that you are not exchanging the truth for a lie.” How do you know that YOU are not exchanging the truth for a lie? What makes YOUR truth the ONLY truth. Different reasonable, religious, Christian people interpret the scriptures differently. You are welcome to believe in your truth, but please allow others to believe theirs. And I am not speaking about beliefs regarding homosexuality here. It can be about anything where there are reasonable differences in religious beliefs.

As far as the question of feeling sexuality at an earlier age than you experienced it, I hope you will see that this was your experience, but not everyone’s. Some people (gay or straight) are sexual at age 12 or so, others might not feel that until age 20. That’s the variation in people.

And that, for me, is just one example of the diversity among people as to how they are. Things like skin color, gender, intelligence, height, age of puberty, hair and eye color, sexual identity, disposition towards certain diseases, and much more are part of the genetic design, in some cases influenced or changed by later environmental and cultural forces. (Religion is a cultural and/or spiritual matter and not genetic.) I see the diversity of humans to be a blessing and not a curse.

]]> Comment on Build That Wall by Joel http://rescuemarriage.org/2009/12/31/build-that-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-3959 Joel Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:43:32 +0000 http://rescuemarriage.org/?p=400#comment-3959 You do realize that there are quite a few other "abominations" in the Bible that many Christians violate every day, right? You've probably committed an "abomination against God" today and don't even realize it. I do believe that if you've ever eaten shrimp, you deserve to die. Don't quote passages from the Bible unless you're actually willing to live what it preaches, and don't pretend that you do, because no one does. You do realize that there are quite a few other “abominations” in the Bible that many Christians violate every day, right? You’ve probably committed an “abomination against God” today and don’t even realize it. I do believe that if you’ve ever eaten shrimp, you deserve to die. Don’t quote passages from the Bible unless you’re actually willing to live what it preaches, and don’t pretend that you do, because no one does.

]]> Comment on Build That Wall by Joanie http://rescuemarriage.org/2009/12/31/build-that-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-3958 Joanie Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:04:09 +0000 http://rescuemarriage.org/?p=400#comment-3958 Tim what about romans especially the part where it say's "They exchanged the truth for a lie. That is my deepest concern with certain christian denominations acceptance of homosexuality. How do they know, how do you know that you are not exchanging the truth for a lie. Why is it that just because I am not so quick to allow my mind to be changed that I am accused of spreading hate. If you want to be precise I was so goal driven and perhasp a bit bitter and self centered that I did not have my first crush until the summer of my sophmore or junior year. until I went to see a production of Meet Me In St. Louis at a local community theater I had not met one man, not a single man that I was attracted to. The performance of the actor who played the boy next door and the fact that he shook my hand and talked to me made me instantly infatuated with the young actor who stared opposite the lead role. That is why I cannot fathom how there are twelve year olds that claim to be gay when I didn't know what I wanted until I was in high school. not long ago I overheard a young man at school saying that he knew he was Gay at age eleven to me that's not possible. That is why I am very wary of young highschool girls that tease their friends four and five year old siblings about having boyfriends and girlfriends. No wonder we have young people making such a bold decision because people push them towards love,at an age when they haven't even begun to understand the meaning of the word and the many different kinds of love there are. Tim what about romans especially the part where it say’s “They exchanged the truth for a lie. That is my deepest concern with certain christian denominations acceptance of homosexuality. How do they know, how do you know that you are not exchanging the truth for a lie. Why is it that just because I am not so quick to allow my mind to be changed that I am accused of spreading hate. If you want to be precise I was so goal driven and perhasp a bit bitter and self centered that I did not have my first crush until the summer of my sophmore or junior year. until I went to see a production of Meet Me In St. Louis at a local community theater I had not met one man, not a single man that I was attracted to. The performance of the actor who played the boy next door and the fact that he shook my hand and talked to me made me instantly infatuated with the young actor who stared opposite the lead role. That is why I cannot fathom how there are twelve year olds that claim to be gay when I didn’t know what I wanted until I was in high school. not long ago I overheard a young man at school saying that he knew he was Gay at age eleven to me that’s not possible. That is why I am very wary of young highschool girls that tease their friends four and five year old siblings about having boyfriends and girlfriends. No wonder we have young people making such a bold decision because people push them towards love,at an age when they haven’t even begun to understand the meaning of the word and the many different kinds of love there are.

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