I told all my friends in Sacramento to go and sign your petition. I am with you 100% from Oklahoma. Love the whole idea. Lets see how much they really mean, preserve marriage and the vow they took for life. LOL
Sanctity of marriage went out with the dish water the day the husband shows that he does not love his family as much as himself. IE. Beating raping and not providing for his families needs. By the way Jesus said this himself. If divorce is illegal then above offenses should be just as serious. Or you will have more dead and dying population. Get Real! You can not make this decision with out looking at why such things are legal in the first place. I hope your child never ends up in a abusive situation.
Hi Melissa, Beating and Raping are more serious than making divorce illegal and are very illegal in their own right. I am sorry that your past has been so negative, but I do believe that the overwhelming majority of married people are satisfied with their marriage as I am. Making divorce illegal would, in my view, make the whole marriage process a more “serious” matter. Hopefully this will discourage those who marry on a “whim”(Las Vegas style) and reduce the type of negative marriages you refer to. (What did Jesus say himself? I didn’t get that part.)
I am afraid you are mistaken. The verse has nothing to do with loving your wife as yourself. See Luke 10:25-29. But one should love one’s neighbor as you love yourself. It is a preface to his telling the story of the Good Samaritan. It would be wise to check the verse and its content as well as context posting them.
I am in Canada awaiting my husbands return from deployment with the US Marines ~ Returning to California in March of 2010!1 I would love to sign the petition ~ How may I do so?
I am going to sign this petition..NOT because I want to protect marriage, and NOT because out of protest against the passage of Proposition 8. But because I firmly believe the California Family Court System is heavily biased against men and because women: all to often view Marriage as a Racket. California has banned all kinds of things in the past, so why not continue the trend and Ban Divorce…(lets Ban Anullment as well)..
One thing for sure…(its a long shot) but passage of this referendum will cause Murder Rates to rise…
Let’s also write into the referendum that California will not recognize divorces that occur out-of-state(after passage, of course) and then we may have the added benefit of people MOVING out of California(to pursue their divorcee lifestyle), which will help reduce some of the overcrowding on the freeways and in our schools!(just a fun thought…)
This is a great idea. I am married and already been divorced once and I guarantee that that 1st marriage would never had occurred had divorce been illegal and the current marriage would have not yet occurred if this was the case. Anyone who feels the need to reference the bible in regards to the petition needs to go back to the rule of separation of church and state which is what should have been remembered when we voted on Prop 8. Taking away the rights of a gay or lesbian couple’s right to marry is the same as taking away everyone’s right to divorce and this is a great idea to make people think, although with all the narrow minded people in this world as shown by the last vote this probably wont pass but I would love to be a small part of a wake up call!!!!
Absolutely, let’s Really seperate Church and State by making marriage either a legal contract (State) or a religous contract (Church), or both if you choose. That was everyone could find a Church to marry them, even if the State won’t!
So your saying only religious people can get married and it needs to be in a church?? I didn’t make a contract with religion or the government when I got married it was of my own free will and the “contract” as you put it was between me and my husband. It’s easier for someone to find the state to marry them then a church any day if you hadn’t noticed the strict rules being placed on the couples who still wish to marry in a church. As I stated before getting married wasn’t for GOD OR THE PRESIDENT and anyone who so chooses and is of age and sane mind should be allowed to do so of their own free will.
I totally agree on banning divorces. Separate the Church and state. It so sad that there are hundreds of marriages that get divorced every day and the people dont help save the marriages. Kids are living in single parent homes and they dont see the true value of what a real marriage contains! I will sign! because my parents just recently had a divorce and my father never went to seek help with a counsler or army help for being deployed so much! That is made there marriage go down the drain but i can HONESTLY say that NO ONE!!! i mean NO ONE helped my parents to fix there marriage. My mother has continued to struggle with keeping there marriage but in the end she lost! Hopefully the people will banned this divorce deal.!
No way! it is easier to find a church to marry you, if it’s a Union ceremony they are performing. A Church requires you to submit to them a copy of your State Contract if you intend to get legally married. Ariana you say you and your Husband are married, but say you “didn’t make a contract with religion or the government” but indeed you did; or you are Not in fact married. You may have promised your wonderful husband your heart and your love, but unless you signed a contract with the State in fact you are not Married. Sounds to me like you and your man have an agreement; a union. Should you change your minds you don’t even have to File in Court for a Divorce>!>
It may sound to you like it’s all about just a ‘piece of paper’ but that is exactly the reason for this petition. To Marry ya got to have the paper!
I am all in, in this and there should be a Federal Ban of Divorce on the U.S. Here in Northern Virginia (The state that also voted to “Keep the Fags from Marriage”) where the Baptists run most of the State and so to will physically attack and kill a GAY person in open public, would promote this idea to its whole congegation but in reality also divorce at high rate. This holier than thou idea is great in a Nation of Hypcrits who tout their sacred marriage and then divorce when the going gets rough (90%). As a Male, this Intitive would make enslavement of a female so much more easier and legal, that spousal abuse could not be enforced because of what goes on in the marriage is without repproach by Government or its LAWs.
Your words, “Intitive would make enslavement of a female so much more easier and legal, that spousal abuse could not be enforced because of what goes on in the marriage is without repproach by Government or its LAWs.” That’s stupid. What is this you say ‘marriage is without repproach by Gov’t or it’s laws” about? That is just something you made-up. enslavement is illegal for everyone, even if you are married.
Where can I sign up? Would love to help from Fresno, CA. I was married at 18 and have been married to the same man for the past 11 years and would love for it to like that for a very long time!!!!!! Totally love this idea!!
I support the idea. My wife is divorcing me so she can live a single life style when she enjoys guys company and etc. You know what I mean. What happen to the vows, “until death do us part”. Not I want a divorce because I’m a slut.
Ty sounds like she just didn’t enjoy Your company. Sounds more like she said ‘I want a divorce because my husband hasn’t shown me any ‘stars’ in years, and all he does is eat and watch TV’. Sir, if this is the case be prepared to be lonely for a long time. Partners want active particiapation in marriage; not just a cheap ring.
Ouch Kitty. That one sounds like it hit a little close to home with you. In my marriage of 19 years, we talk… even if it hurts. No relationship is perfect, but if you don’t talk about what’s bothering you, or expect your spouse to “know” what is bothering you, you WILL grow apart. I can’t tell you how many disagreements and shouting matches my wife and I have had, but we always have communicated our feelings and we somehow survived those times. Remember, “those” times will ALWAYS lead to better times because we stay together.
Dear Jon, Your wife and you have both agreed to respond and be proactive in your marriage. You have chosen your methods of communication, no matter the style, be it shouting or talking or sulking. You said you managed to communicate your feelings. In my mind you then have a ‘perfect marriage’. Not one that is stagnant, but one that is vibrant and changes as you change. I feel good for you and your wife, and I assume by your note that your marriage will stay healthy prob. forever! Puts a smile on my face, really, a warm grin.
Ty on the other hand puts contempt in my heart, and I Do in fact Assume (yes, i know the pun). As said I Do assume that Ty is so disfunctional in his marriage that he is trully blinded by it. Has he not noticed that he referred to his Wife as a “slut”. This is shameful behavior on his part, venting this vulgarity to us (perfect strangers!). But the Real point is- he Actually thinks this of her! Marriage to a man (like Ty) who thinks so little of this person is impossible. Can you imagine Her point of view? Her words, point of view might go like this: ” i live with a man who thinks i am a slut. why would i respect someone who shows me so little respect? sex, is Obviously an issue, and i’m just not getting anything positive at home, we don’t inteact verbally well and phyically it’s a mess too. he will never really love me because he is too ashamed of me, he thinks i’ma slut and our children are worthless in his mind. how will i survive?” You can just hear her now can’t you Jon, Ty?
Now for the Positive point of view that this petition represents. If divorce were illegal than folks like Ty and Mrs. Ty would Not be able to divorce. So maybe folks like Ty would participate with his wife from the start; not just waiting for her to get so sick and tired that she felt forced to leave. You see folks like Ty feel they are not worthy so he has been unconsciencely pushing away and rejecting his wife since before they were even married. If you can’t divorce then I guess we’ll get other choices like GovMomma and BanDivorce said, and are right, that a couple will seek help (the best choice) or a gun (the worst choice).
In response to Kitty
You so have got to get a life and you know what they say about assume!!! Everything you wrote about the type of person TY is is absolutely crazy unless you happen to be the “slut” wife he speaks of. The idea of commenting here was to get peoples opinions of this measure and how they felt about the idea not for people like you to insult others and their situations in life that are not so favorable. Your comments have been mostly rude and irrelevant and unless something pertinent needs to be said you need to find something better to do with your time.
Ariana, In response: you seem to me an expert at Divorce, one down one to go as you expressed. Ty decided to use this forum to not only vent but plead for attention. Are you so blind as to not understand be was begging this forum for a response or reply or just a little bit of attention that he is not getting at home anymore? When people say they are going to help themselves do you ignore that too?
How does it feel to to believe that something is so right yet people are voting against it? As a Lesbian my stomach turned every time I saw a “yes on 8″ sign. I didn’t understand why people were doing this, when I felt so strongly for family and good values just loved a women. I wanted the rights you had when you got married to your lover.
Kitty,
If you are as you say a registered counselor and Ty and his wife are your life then you are in violation of HIPPA laws and Ty or his wife can report you for violation of counselor client privilege. If someone wants to help themselves good for them or vice verse if they don’t want to help themselves it is their choice. If Ty has to come to a forum to beg for attention he lacks at home that is his choice and someone who counsel’s him should be discussing that in private behind closed doors. Any legitimate counselor would know this and all those things you said about Ty are none of our business and you should be ashamed of yourself. If I knew your real identity I would report you myself!!!!!!
Ariana, They are not My clients, fool. Please re-read my notes, I think the only reference you found objectional was about Your “Marriage’ (without a licence).
Ariana and Kitty, I think the whole Ty issue has been played out and I would ask that each of you take a deep breath and retract the claws. We are here to show our support of this referendum to open dialogue and make people think about how their decisions(and comments) affect others who are not in their like-minded local community bubbles. I strongly feel that this forum should not be used to directly attack(or flame, etc.) any other participant who have posted here. General comments are welcome. Encouraging comments are even better! But please do not use this forum to tear anybody down. We have seen enough of that already with Prop 8.
“PS Ariana, I’m a registered counselor, Ty and his Wife are my life.”
I am no fool above is what you typed and besides your first post on 11/30/09 I have found all your posts objectionable. I agree with Jon and have been trying to get you to understand that as well that this is not a bash others ideas forum as I said on 12/2/09 at 5:3pm “The idea of commenting here was to get peoples opinions of this measure and how they felt about the idea not for people like you to insult others and their situations in life that are not so favorable.”
i found the ad through IGF and thought it to be uproariously funny, but also right on. i’m glad to join in on the cause to fix marriage once and for all. lol
I live in Canada. Since 1982, there is Divorce Law that regulates all the rules related to divorce. Before 1982, if a couple wanted to divorce, they needed a private bill. I agree with your project. Since the number of divorces grown up, many problems happens. Thanks and DONT GIVE UP !
I would like to gather signatures here in Orange County, specifically Godless Irvine, Laguna Beach, and Aliso Viejo. Confused and misguided residents of all three of these cities collectively voted against Proposition 8, but with God and non-skipping ball-point pens on my side I hope to convince these residents to shake off the hand of the devil and his homosexual charges and sign the petition to restore God back into the government where He belongs.
Where is the petition??! I’ve posted your link to my Facebook page, but there is no information of where to go to sign the petition. Please advise!
Where are the petitions. I’m ready to start gathering signatures in Siskiyou County.
I am in for Denver CO
I am in for Georgia. Where is petition, ready to sign!
While national support is great, to get the initiative on the CA ballot, all signers must be legally registered CA voters.
I told all my friends in Sacramento to go and sign your petition. I am with you 100% from Oklahoma. Love the whole idea. Lets see how much they really mean, preserve marriage and the vow they took for life. LOL
None of my friends want divorces, lets dot his thing.
Been Married for 19 years and yes, I will sign. Tell me where I can sign a petition here in Orange County.
Sanctity of marriage went out with the dish water the day the husband shows that he does not love his family as much as himself. IE. Beating raping and not providing for his families needs. By the way Jesus said this himself. If divorce is illegal then above offenses should be just as serious. Or you will have more dead and dying population. Get Real! You can not make this decision with out looking at why such things are legal in the first place. I hope your child never ends up in a abusive situation.
Hi Melissa, Beating and Raping are more serious than making divorce illegal and are very illegal in their own right. I am sorry that your past has been so negative, but I do believe that the overwhelming majority of married people are satisfied with their marriage as I am. Making divorce illegal would, in my view, make the whole marriage process a more “serious” matter. Hopefully this will discourage those who marry on a “whim”(Las Vegas style) and reduce the type of negative marriages you refer to. (What did Jesus say himself? I didn’t get that part.)
To the man Jesus said to love thy wife and child as you so love yourself. I can’t quote what verse.
I am afraid you are mistaken. The verse has nothing to do with loving your wife as yourself. See Luke 10:25-29. But one should love one’s neighbor as you love yourself. It is a preface to his telling the story of the Good Samaritan. It would be wise to check the verse and its content as well as context posting them.
I am in Canada awaiting my husbands return from deployment with the US Marines ~ Returning to California in March of 2010!1 I would love to sign the petition ~ How may I do so?
I am going to sign this petition..NOT because I want to protect marriage, and NOT because out of protest against the passage of Proposition 8. But because I firmly believe the California Family Court System is heavily biased against men and because women: all to often view Marriage as a Racket. California has banned all kinds of things in the past, so why not continue the trend and Ban Divorce…(lets Ban Anullment as well)..
One thing for sure…(its a long shot) but passage of this referendum will cause Murder Rates to rise…
Let’s also write into the referendum that California will not recognize divorces that occur out-of-state(after passage, of course) and then we may have the added benefit of people MOVING out of California(to pursue their divorcee lifestyle), which will help reduce some of the overcrowding on the freeways and in our schools!(just a fun thought…)
This so makes sense!
I’m more than willing to sign-from Colorado Springs Colorado
This is a great idea. I am married and already been divorced once and I guarantee that that 1st marriage would never had occurred had divorce been illegal and the current marriage would have not yet occurred if this was the case. Anyone who feels the need to reference the bible in regards to the petition needs to go back to the rule of separation of church and state which is what should have been remembered when we voted on Prop 8. Taking away the rights of a gay or lesbian couple’s right to marry is the same as taking away everyone’s right to divorce and this is a great idea to make people think, although with all the narrow minded people in this world as shown by the last vote this probably wont pass but I would love to be a small part of a wake up call!!!!
Absolutely, let’s Really seperate Church and State by making marriage either a legal contract (State) or a religous contract (Church), or both if you choose. That was everyone could find a Church to marry them, even if the State won’t!
So your saying only religious people can get married and it needs to be in a church?? I didn’t make a contract with religion or the government when I got married it was of my own free will and the “contract” as you put it was between me and my husband. It’s easier for someone to find the state to marry them then a church any day if you hadn’t noticed the strict rules being placed on the couples who still wish to marry in a church. As I stated before getting married wasn’t for GOD OR THE PRESIDENT and anyone who so chooses and is of age and sane mind should be allowed to do so of their own free will.
ps was=way
I totally agree on banning divorces. Separate the Church and state. It so sad that there are hundreds of marriages that get divorced every day and the people dont help save the marriages. Kids are living in single parent homes and they dont see the true value of what a real marriage contains! I will sign! because my parents just recently had a divorce and my father never went to seek help with a counsler or army help for being deployed so much! That is made there marriage go down the drain but i can HONESTLY say that NO ONE!!! i mean NO ONE helped my parents to fix there marriage. My mother has continued to struggle with keeping there marriage but in the end she lost! Hopefully the people will banned this divorce deal.!
No way! it is easier to find a church to marry you, if it’s a Union ceremony they are performing. A Church requires you to submit to them a copy of your State Contract if you intend to get legally married. Ariana you say you and your Husband are married, but say you “didn’t make a contract with religion or the government” but indeed you did; or you are Not in fact married. You may have promised your wonderful husband your heart and your love, but unless you signed a contract with the State in fact you are not Married. Sounds to me like you and your man have an agreement; a union. Should you change your minds you don’t even have to File in Court for a Divorce>!>
It may sound to you like it’s all about just a ‘piece of paper’ but that is exactly the reason for this petition. To Marry ya got to have the paper!
GovWorkinMomma, Sorry you are hurt. Your Dad and Mom are grown adults; please tell me who you expected to “help them fix their marriage”?
Where are the petitions? I’m ready to start gathering signatures in El Dorado County…….lets get this on the ballot!
Incredible Idea – Genius – Can’t wait to watch the Prop 8 hypocrites scurry away from this. Send me some petitions for Long Beach.
I am all in, in this and there should be a Federal Ban of Divorce on the U.S. Here in Northern Virginia (The state that also voted to “Keep the Fags from Marriage”) where the Baptists run most of the State and so to will physically attack and kill a GAY person in open public, would promote this idea to its whole congegation but in reality also divorce at high rate. This holier than thou idea is great in a Nation of Hypcrits who tout their sacred marriage and then divorce when the going gets rough (90%). As a Male, this Intitive would make enslavement of a female so much more easier and legal, that spousal abuse could not be enforced because of what goes on in the marriage is without repproach by Government or its LAWs.
Dear Dou4now,
Your words, “Intitive would make enslavement of a female so much more easier and legal, that spousal abuse could not be enforced because of what goes on in the marriage is without repproach by Government or its LAWs.” That’s stupid. What is this you say ‘marriage is without repproach by Gov’t or it’s laws” about? That is just something you made-up. enslavement is illegal for everyone, even if you are married.
where is the petition I would love to sign it
Where can I sign up? Would love to help from Fresno, CA. I was married at 18 and have been married to the same man for the past 11 years and would love for it to like that for a very long time!!!!!! Totally love this idea!!
I support the idea. My wife is divorcing me so she can live a single life style when she enjoys guys company and etc. You know what I mean. What happen to the vows, “until death do us part”. Not I want a divorce because I’m a slut.
Ty sounds like she just didn’t enjoy Your company. Sounds more like she said ‘I want a divorce because my husband hasn’t shown me any ‘stars’ in years, and all he does is eat and watch TV’. Sir, if this is the case be prepared to be lonely for a long time. Partners want active particiapation in marriage; not just a cheap ring.
Ouch Kitty. That one sounds like it hit a little close to home with you. In my marriage of 19 years, we talk… even if it hurts. No relationship is perfect, but if you don’t talk about what’s bothering you, or expect your spouse to “know” what is bothering you, you WILL grow apart. I can’t tell you how many disagreements and shouting matches my wife and I have had, but we always have communicated our feelings and we somehow survived those times. Remember, “those” times will ALWAYS lead to better times because we stay together.
I am so glad someone is finally doing this! I love it and I support you a billion percent! Ban Divorce! yah!
Maybe ONLY gay people should even be allowed to marry, since we straights have made a mockery out of the institution.
Dear Jon, Your wife and you have both agreed to respond and be proactive in your marriage. You have chosen your methods of communication, no matter the style, be it shouting or talking or sulking. You said you managed to communicate your feelings. In my mind you then have a ‘perfect marriage’. Not one that is stagnant, but one that is vibrant and changes as you change. I feel good for you and your wife, and I assume by your note that your marriage will stay healthy prob. forever! Puts a smile on my face, really, a warm grin.
Ty on the other hand puts contempt in my heart, and I Do in fact Assume (yes, i know the pun). As said I Do assume that Ty is so disfunctional in his marriage that he is trully blinded by it. Has he not noticed that he referred to his Wife as a “slut”. This is shameful behavior on his part, venting this vulgarity to us (perfect strangers!). But the Real point is- he Actually thinks this of her! Marriage to a man (like Ty) who thinks so little of this person is impossible. Can you imagine Her point of view? Her words, point of view might go like this: ” i live with a man who thinks i am a slut. why would i respect someone who shows me so little respect? sex, is Obviously an issue, and i’m just not getting anything positive at home, we don’t inteact verbally well and phyically it’s a mess too. he will never really love me because he is too ashamed of me, he thinks i’ma slut and our children are worthless in his mind. how will i survive?” You can just hear her now can’t you Jon, Ty?
I’m ready to sign. And my boyfriend is too.
Now for the Positive point of view that this petition represents. If divorce were illegal than folks like Ty and Mrs. Ty would Not be able to divorce. So maybe folks like Ty would participate with his wife from the start; not just waiting for her to get so sick and tired that she felt forced to leave. You see folks like Ty feel they are not worthy so he has been unconsciencely pushing away and rejecting his wife since before they were even married. If you can’t divorce then I guess we’ll get other choices like GovMomma and BanDivorce said, and are right, that a couple will seek help (the best choice) or a gun (the worst choice).
In response to Kitty
You so have got to get a life and you know what they say about assume!!! Everything you wrote about the type of person TY is is absolutely crazy unless you happen to be the “slut” wife he speaks of. The idea of commenting here was to get peoples opinions of this measure and how they felt about the idea not for people like you to insult others and their situations in life that are not so favorable. Your comments have been mostly rude and irrelevant and unless something pertinent needs to be said you need to find something better to do with your time.
Ariana, In response: you seem to me an expert at Divorce, one down one to go as you expressed. Ty decided to use this forum to not only vent but plead for attention. Are you so blind as to not understand be was begging this forum for a response or reply or just a little bit of attention that he is not getting at home anymore? When people say they are going to help themselves do you ignore that too?
PS Ariana, I’m a registered counselor, Ty and his Wife are my life.
Re: Divorced
How does it feel to to believe that something is so right yet people are voting against it? As a Lesbian my stomach turned every time I saw a “yes on 8″ sign. I didn’t understand why people were doing this, when I felt so strongly for family and good values just loved a women. I wanted the rights you had when you got married to your lover.
Kitty,
If you are as you say a registered counselor and Ty and his wife are your life then you are in violation of HIPPA laws and Ty or his wife can report you for violation of counselor client privilege. If someone wants to help themselves good for them or vice verse if they don’t want to help themselves it is their choice. If Ty has to come to a forum to beg for attention he lacks at home that is his choice and someone who counsel’s him should be discussing that in private behind closed doors. Any legitimate counselor would know this and all those things you said about Ty are none of our business and you should be ashamed of yourself. If I knew your real identity I would report you myself!!!!!!
Ariana, They are not My clients, fool. Please re-read my notes, I think the only reference you found objectional was about Your “Marriage’ (without a licence).
Ariana and Kitty, I think the whole Ty issue has been played out and I would ask that each of you take a deep breath and retract the claws. We are here to show our support of this referendum to open dialogue and make people think about how their decisions(and comments) affect others who are not in their like-minded local community bubbles. I strongly feel that this forum should not be used to directly attack(or flame, etc.) any other participant who have posted here. General comments are welcome. Encouraging comments are even better! But please do not use this forum to tear anybody down. We have seen enough of that already with Prop 8.
“PS Ariana, I’m a registered counselor, Ty and his Wife are my life.”
I am no fool above is what you typed and besides your first post on 11/30/09 I have found all your posts objectionable. I agree with Jon and have been trying to get you to understand that as well that this is not a bash others ideas forum as I said on 12/2/09 at 5:3pm “The idea of commenting here was to get peoples opinions of this measure and how they felt about the idea not for people like you to insult others and their situations in life that are not so favorable.”
Ariana, If you agree with Jon, than we are in harmony, let it go Babe….
i found the ad through IGF and thought it to be uproariously funny, but also right on. i’m glad to join in on the cause to fix marriage once and for all. lol
i’m glad you had the temerity to undertake this!
After I stop laughing, where, of where, can I sign this petition?
I’m ready to sign and be a signature gatherer in Tehama and Butte Counties. Where do I get the petition?
I live in Canada. Since 1982, there is Divorce Law that regulates all the rules related to divorce. Before 1982, if a couple wanted to divorce, they needed a private bill. I agree with your project. Since the number of divorces grown up, many problems happens. Thanks and DONT GIVE UP !
I would like to gather signatures here in Orange County, specifically Godless Irvine, Laguna Beach, and Aliso Viejo. Confused and misguided residents of all three of these cities collectively voted against Proposition 8, but with God and non-skipping ball-point pens on my side I hope to convince these residents to shake off the hand of the devil and his homosexual charges and sign the petition to restore God back into the government where He belongs.
Send me one for the San Gabriel Valley (East L.A. County), CA
I find that the churches are telling married couples to get a divorce when the couples brings problems to the churches.